All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

We agree with you that SH5 is probably a great game. No reason to roll over like a dog and accept DRM/OSP being shoved down our throats. If you want to have your privacy abused--your call.

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you dont need to buy it! ubi can do with their products what ever they want to do. when they do it wrong, they wont sell lots of copies. when they do it right, they will sell lots of copies. and to me it looks like they will sell lots of copies atm. the whole "casual gamer group" isnt interested in drm in or not. means: subsimmers are in the minority group. they can try to convince people not to buy it because of drm. but if the majority wouldnt become convinced, sh5 will be as it is promoted atm.

but what you are doing is not to explain the probs of drm, you are dashing the whole forum with your complains against ubi! remember: the bad guy is not ubi, it is the majority who causes ubis decissions!
your understanding of democracy is wrong here. and nobody will censor here. but perhaps, the majority dont want to read the same sentence in each thread... they want to read a discussion about drm, about game featrues and so on, nothing else. if you want to convince the others, please become factual and dont blame ubi. they are the wrong target here (they knwo the majority, you guys dont) dont think, the subsimmers here are the exclusive buyers.

Thanks for your advice, I did not realise I dont not have to buy the game you have saved me £40. I am not trying to convince anyone about buying SHV everybody can make up their own mind.

I also did not realise that I was dashing the whole forumand who mentioned democracy ??

Voicing my opinion just like you

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Kefru

Thanks for your advice, I did not realise I dont not have to buy the game you have saved me £40. I am not trying to convince anyone about buying SHV everybody can make up their own mind.

I also did not realise that I was dashing the whole forumand who mentioned democracy ??

Voicing my opinion just like you

at your first point, we are daccord. about dashing the forum: it is not you, it is the whole "anti drm wihtout discussion the point and hijacking each thread group". lots of people in there, and i think most of them didnt understand the whole problem about drm themselfes. only my suggestion.

and third: that was you talking about democarcy, remember your statement about censoring. this means, you think there is no democarcy here, when somebody is banished. you are right here, but, as stated above, there are rules for a discussion. dont hijack threads and try to stay on facts.

[onelifecrisis]

Well speaking seriously it would be nice if the anti-DRM crowd could manage not to turn every single thread into a DRM bitching session.

Originally Posted by Jaeger

at your first point, we are daccord. about dashing the forum: it is not you, it is the whole "anti drm wihtout discussion the point and hijacking each thread group". lots of people in there, and i think most of them didnt understand the whole problem about drm themselfes. only my suggestion.

and third: that was you talking about democarcy, remember your statement about censoring. this means, you think there is no democarcy here, when somebody is banished. you are right here, but, as stated above, there are rules for a discussion. dont hijack threads and try to stay on facts.

What happened to point 2 ??

I think that there is democracy here thats why I am free to state my opinion. Anyway I will practice some self censorship and no longer post in this thread

[stabiz]

Kind of hard when all threads have traces of DRM, pro(!) or con.

Originally Posted by Jaeger

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

drm brings one disadvantage: ubi knwos, when you are playing! but more good points: your data is save (data servers never are down, they have security servers (remember your emailaccount, when was it down last time?) and second: drm gives the possibility to update your game and to have online rankings. this is a main point the casual gamer is looking for!

Can I ask ? Do you actually see what a long peace of crap your speech is..? I just don't know from which end should I begin bashing it.. Luckily to you I'm just too lazy for this atm.. But one I can say about your so frequently mentioned casual player. I assume this should be a 12-year old shoot'em'up arcade style kid who shall by mistake intall SH5 too see what it's all about and after 10 min of play he'll become bored to death and will get back to his good old cs or quake or whatever.. Casual player..my arse. Because Simulator and it's nature isn't ment to be dedicated for casual players at all but for those who became enough mature for it. However these ppl are way more above your casual player mentioned.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.


Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

[JackAubrey]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

Sorry Sir, but I fear you got something wrong.

Silent Hunter may simulate a german U-Boat during WW2, but that does not mean that the Forum members are supposed to adhere to the standards of german laws of that time, regarding the undermining of military morale.
The times are over where people got shot for voicing their concerns about the war effort or the leadership. Well, at least here in germany.

So, as long as this is a public Forum on Submarine Games, I think that I am allowed to voice my concerns about Submarine Games, what publishers may make of them in the future and how certain decisions of said publishers will influence my decision to buy or not.
As long as i stay somewhat polite, don't open the same thread over and over again and don't impose my views on other users, I should be allowed of doing so.

Well, at least until Neal, who has the domiciliary rights here, decides it's time to put a stop to a certain topic. Then maybe its again time that people get shot.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

Originally Posted by Richard Stallman

"[Cloud computing is] stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign,"

"Somebody is saying this is inevitable – and whenever you hear somebody saying that, it's very likely to be a set of businesses campaigning to make it true."

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

No I wont stop! if you are happy to promote this DRM spyware crap that is your choice, the majority of members here don't share your view, to put it in simple terms, we hate DRM!!! and will freely express our views on this!!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Well speaking seriously it would be nice if the anti-DRM crowd could manage not to turn every single thread into a DRM bitching session.

Seconded. It is getting a bit tiresome to have every thread be about the DRM issue, regardless of your views on it.

[KL-alfman]

+1

but I don't second the thread-title at all.

[Feuer Frei!]

Fellow Kaleuns.......
It's not an issue of people not allowed to voice their opinions, far from it, opinions are like @#$%&les, everyone has got one, (one of my sayings in life)......
the issue i personally see with the "majority" of threads here, is that it's not the voicing of the opinions, or whether we live in a free democratic society or not, or whether i personally respect or don't respect another person's opinion (and for the record, i do respect other people's opinions),
what really is "tiring", "old school", "boring" and just plain unoriginal is the continued re-gurgitation or supposedly "new" threads, but really just disguised with a "new" title, and the content either slightly re-worded, end result= another negative view!

I come on these forums to ponder, to read and to share civilized, friendly conversations with other members, hopefully learn something in the process, and share my enthusiasm for Sub sim gaming with others.....

I fully understand that this particular section is dedicated to Silent Hunter 5 ie the threads will be about Silent Hunter 5......

however what i don't understand is the continued negativity about this "up-and-comer"....

ok you say, you don't understand people's frustrations with the "possible" inclusions of a lot of things that "may" be included in the final release?
Well, i do, in fact i am saturated with all the problems, issues, no, i'm not buying it's, Ubisoft doesn't care....blah blah blah....

I think as i have posted somewhere else previously.....if you don't like it, do your talking with your wallet.......
which, seems like many of you are intending to do.....i respect that, just like people's opinions, however what i do not respect is, the continual negativity.......ok, so you don't like it? fine, no problem, but seriously, how many times do i need to be told that Silent Hunter 5 will fail?
Seriously.......

[Onkel Neal]

The online-all-the-time and drop-anytime DRM topic is new and significant, so for the time being multiple threads is fine. After a while, I'm sure everyone will agree that the topic can be discussed in a few threads.

I do smile, though, through all the posts about this, that no one ever damns the pirates, both pro and casual.