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mookiemookie · 12-17-09, 04:48 PM

Dunno, but I'm reading Fatherland right now and it doesn't seem like it would be a fun place to be.

12-17-09, 05:26 PM

One should keep in mind that "The master race" was actualy slated to become the master's race. That ' makes a big difference. Not a good outcome for the german people.

Takeda Shingen · 12-17-09, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Also, You see what happens when a country trys to take over the world. It never really works.

Nuh uh. I take over the world all the time in the Total War series and have no problems what-so-ever.

Lt.Fillipidis · 12-17-09, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Nuh uh. I take over the world all the time in the Total War series and have no problems what-so-ever.

Yeah, especially when you press the "Enslave population" option in Rome Total War

People could only accept invasions if the invading force would bring brighter days that the current leadership. This is one of the reasons the Persians accepted Alexander as their king. Hitler could only do this on Soviet people but his plan was to annihilate them so anyway.

But judging from Mein Kamp, other books and historical facts, Hitler seemed to want to claim what was Germany's before the Treaty of Versailles and evaporate Bolshevikism from earth.

Onkel Neal · 12-17-09, 06:12 PM

It would be a lot easier to complete a Silent Hunter 3 campaign.

Skybird · 12-17-09, 06:16 PM

Philip K. Dick: The Man In The High Castle

One of his best.

Dowly · 12-17-09, 06:17 PM

I dont know why, but whenever I think about this question, I always think that the Third Reich would be somewhat similar to ancient Rome. Corruption, people fighting for the Führer's seat etc etc.

August · 12-17-09, 07:45 PM

I'd say the best definition of winning would be that the 3rd German Reich survives to the present day with most or all of it's empire still intact.

So for the sake of argument let's say that hitler dies at the peak of German WW2 expansion in late 1941. Now assuming whoever emerges from the ensuing power struggle is a fairly competent national leader who enjoys a similar level of support that hitler commanded, what does the next Führer need to do to win the war?

I mean at that point he could forget trying to make peace. It's not like the Germans could just tell the rest of the world "our bad" and march back to the Fatherland singing songs. Germany must either emerge victorious or be defeated.

Is it possible or was Germanys fate sealed while they were still winning?

Raptor1 · 12-17-09, 07:57 PM

Germany's biggest catastrophes in the war, mainly Stalingrad, Kursk, Overlord and Bagration, all happened or were largely decided by extreme military stupidity on Hitler's part. Assuming he was replaced by competent leadership before any of these happened, Germany might have had a chance of winning the war to some extent.

GoldenRivet · 12-17-09, 08:11 PM

Given the mood im in tonight.

it would be AWESOME

12-17-09, 08:19 PM

Prior to declaring war on USA, Germany could have achieved a stalemate with England.
But following that declaration, it was just a matter of When, not If.

What if USA had not gotten involved?:
The same holds true for invading Russia.
Given enough time, either one could eventualy defeat Germany.

Torplexed · 12-17-09, 08:45 PM

Well, if Japan had won in the Pacific somehow....no Korean or Vietnam War for the US.

However, in a few decades or less I think Japan would eventually have been bled white in trying to maintain control of China.

FIREWALL · 12-17-09, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Given the mood im in tonight.

it would be AWESOME

What's Wrong ?

GoldenRivet · 12-17-09, 09:00 PM

thanks to margarita.... the Germans dont have to go back in time and win WW2.

long difficult day, a few setbacks and disappointments at work, and an unusually long - moron filled commute.

FIREWALL · 12-17-09, 09:03 PM

@ GR It can only go up from here, Happy Holidays to you and family.

Best Wishes , FIREWALL

12-17-09, 04:48 PM	#16
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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Philip K. Dick: The Man In The High Castle One of his best. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-17-09, 07:45 PM	#23
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'd say the best definition of winning would be that the 3rd German Reich survives to the present day with most or all of it's empire still intact. So for the sake of argument let's say that hitler dies at the peak of German WW2 expansion in late 1941. Now assuming whoever emerges from the ensuing power struggle is a fairly competent national leader who enjoys a similar level of support that hitler commanded, what does the next Führer need to do to win the war? I mean at that point he could forget trying to make peace. It's not like the Germans could just tell the rest of the world "our bad" and march back to the Fatherland singing songs. Germany must either emerge victorious or be defeated. Is it possible or was Germanys fate sealed while they were still winning? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-17-09, 07:57 PM	#24
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Germany's biggest catastrophes in the war, mainly Stalingrad, Kursk, Overlord and Bagration, all happened or were largely decided by extreme military stupidity on Hitler's part. Assuming he was replaced by competent leadership before any of these happened, Germany might have had a chance of winning the war to some extent. __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

12-17-09, 05:26 PM	#17
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	One should keep in mind that "The master race" was actualy slated to become the master's race. That ' makes a big difference. Not a good outcome for the german people.

12-17-09, 06:17 PM	#22
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I dont know why, but whenever I think about this question, I always think that the Third Reich would be somewhat similar to ancient Rome. Corruption, people fighting for the Führer's seat etc etc.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Given the mood im in tonight. it would be AWESOME __________________

12-17-09, 08:19 PM	#26
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Prior to declaring war on USA, Germany could have achieved a stalemate with England. But following that declaration, it was just a matter of When, not If. What if USA had not gotten involved?: The same holds true for invading Russia. Given enough time, either one could eventualy defeat Germany.

12-17-09, 08:45 PM	#27
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Well, if Japan had won in the Pacific somehow....no Korean or Vietnam War for the US. However, in a few decades or less I think Japan would eventually have been bled white in trying to maintain control of China.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	thanks to margarita.... the Germans dont have to go back in time and win WW2. long difficult day, a few setbacks and disappointments at work, and an unusually long - moron filled commute. __________________

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