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Old 03-03-09, 08:12 AM   #16
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Contact 1308/3/2 52
WTWC DWHX CANV XQAU MJKM IGAP VHRL YBEB LHBX WOYN
EBVW MLKJ WUZS NTZX XIRG OVCK BEXP FZNG OEVG LZXG
YUAQ HUYB SQUI VBOL BIMU MMGB BDTL YICI UFXY GFZE
EGDB IJWT KKJQ TPIL FHWE FNIN PXGV DPZG DMEO STVW
LIPE JNZO IQRJ ITIF ZXFH ORQE VUGZ QANL WTHH EJDS

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Old 03-03-09, 08:36 AM   #17
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Puster Bill 1535/3/ 2 61

RFSC DIVO ITPH FMGM AWKO ODLW NKQB URPS EFPK JWAH
KLCZ HPBH REQL DOUM VNIF WRLJ XBBA YRGY FOPQ UXLA
RHZO YQPJ UYFU BMVS SJSW ABUI IRAK KNOD NJRJ BALL
RPKO PPSW CYAF FPKQ KSBP EHBB ZLZU JLOS GKPB GTJZ
YBKZ FDHE WMQU SNXM UOGJ KSID KOXB SHBK SGSK IFHQ
JIPG IMAZ NCVK QABI TEFZ BATB OPND BDHD GGVX RFSC DIVO
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Old 03-03-09, 09:07 AM   #18
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HVYC HWBZ VVJJ NIVE MZEZ PELW XKMO GJER SWZW ISYU
QFTZ WTKI VQOR DLJD IMTL EFNZ RGKZ DFNM DXDY YBON
HDTV GEYQ IGMV QHHV JKFG CLQK HTRR MGAN BYUP TPBR
YFCA IDEH MXPD IDGV XFAC HMJN TMRT ZKBM BPHB GYNL
KMFP WLUJ KEOO HWOK UDOM KMXC JKZB QKJT JPKR APYW
SDZY SJBD TIZV KUIL MRPU KZXA EYVQ GUAS BNGZ
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Old 03-03-09, 10:01 AM   #19
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My original intention in this thread was to promote the use of Morse Code and the use of Enigma as BdU and the U-Boats did to communicate with each other.

I think a few "Ground Rules" apply, I do not mean to offend anybody but I would like too simulate the methods used as accurately as possible.

This I think is how it was done.

Send.
*******
1. Enigma Code Book reading for the day/month/year set into Enigma.
2. Message entered.
3. Resultant characters (transmitted in Morse) ie .-- ...-- ----- .----

Recieve.
*******
1. Recieved transmitted characters (in Morse), as BdU/The U-Boats did, entered into Enigma.
2. Message read from Enigma.

Reply.
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1. Return message (if any) entered into Enigma
2. Resultant characters transmitted in Morse.

With that in mind;
3rd March, 1943.
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03 | B | Gamma IV VI I | 02 01 16 16 | AS BV CM DF EP GU HK IJ LO NT

.. -.-- ..-. .-- --.. -.. ..-. .--- .--- -.- . ...- .-. ...- - ...- -.-- -... ...- -.-- -.

All replys in Morse Code.

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Old 03-03-09, 11:23 AM   #20
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--. -.. .... --. .-- .- .-. .- -.. -.. --. ... -.. ... --.- -.- .- .-- -.. -.. .. ...- ..- .-. --. .-. ...- -.-- ..- ...- -.. .-.. ..-. -.-- .... ...- -.-. -. --.. --.. .-. --.- -..- .-.. .--- -.-. -.-- -.-- -.- .- . ..- . - .-- -. . -.-- ..-. . . -.. -.-- --.. ... ...- . .... -- .-.. ... -.. . --. ..- ..- -- . .-- ... .... ..- -.- -... .- -.-- .- .- .-. .--- -... .--. .--. --- --.. -.- --- -.-. .-.. .. .. .--. -.- .-- -..- --- --. - ..- -.. --.- ...- .--. - --.- ...- .-- ...- .-- - .-- --. .-- .- ... -... -.. --.. - .-.. -..- -.. .-- -- ... -..- -.-- .-- .--. --.. .- -.. ..- -.-. ..-. .- -..- -..- --. -.. .... --. .-- .- .-. .-
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Old 03-03-09, 11:28 AM   #21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ktl_KUrtz
My original intention in this thread was to promote the use of Morse Code and the use of Enigma as BdU and the U-Boats did to communicate with each other.

I think a few "Ground Rules" apply, I do not mean to offend anybody but I would like too simulate the methods used as accurately as possible.

This I think is how it was done.

Send.
*******
1. Enigma Code Book reading for the day/month/year set into Enigma.
2. Message entered.
3. Resultant characters (transmitted in Morse) ie .-- ...-- ----- .----

Recieve.
*******
1. Recieved transmitted characters (in Morse), as BdU/The U-Boats did, entered into Enigma.
2. Message read from Enigma.

Reply.
*****
1. Return message (if any) entered into Enigma
2. Resultant characters transmitted in Morse.

With that in mind;
3rd March, 1943.
M4.
03 | B | Gamma IV VI I | 02 01 16 16 | AS BV CM DF EP GU HK IJ LO NT

.. -.-- ..-. .-- --.. -.. ..-. .--- .--- -.- . ...- .-. ...- - ...- -.-- -... ...- -.-- -.

All replys in Morse Code.

KUrtz
Sorry for hijacking your thread

By the way you haven't provided kenngrupen to your message. Unable to decode
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Old 03-03-09, 12:24 PM   #22
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In my Enigma Code Book, v2.3, 3rd March, 1943 there is no Kenngrupen .

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Old 03-03-09, 12:51 PM   #23
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Contact 1751/3/4 45
--.- .-.. -.. .-.. | -..- -.- . -- | --. -- .-.. --.- | ... --.. -... -. | -. ...- .... - | --.. .-. .... --.. | ..-. -..- .- ...- | -.-- .- ..- .--- | -.. -.- .-. .--. | .-.. --. .- -..- | ...- .--- -.-- .. | -... .--. ... - | -.. . -... .--- | .-.. .-. .- --.. | ...- -.- .-- -... | --.- .... -..- --. | -.-. .--- ...- --.. | .-- -.- -- .-.. | -.-. -.-. --- -..- | ..- .. .-. ... | --. ...- .--. .- | -- .... -..- ..- | --- --.- --.- ..-. | -.-. .. .- .... | --- .. .--. - | .... - .... -..- | ...- . .-. . | - -... . .- | ... --.. .--- . | - ..-. .- ..- | -..- ... -- --. | .-.. ..- -.-. -.- | .... .... ..-. . | --.. -.-- --.- .. | -..- .-.. --.- -..- | -.- -.-. -.- -- | ...- .... .-- -.-- | ..- -. --- -..- | --.. .--. .. -..- | -.. .--. .-.. .-- | .-. -.- -- .- | ... --. ... --.. | -.- .-- -.-- -- | .... -.- - .. | . -..- --. .--

Couple of things to note:

1. If we wanted to *REALLY* be authentic, we'd be trading audio files. There are several free Morse encoders and decoders available. One called "EhoCW" allows you to record and play back your Morse as a .WAV or .MP3 audio file.

2. Trying to read Morse like this "-- --- .-. ... ." is kind of insane.

3. Klt_KUrtz, standard Kriegsmarine procedures for non-kurzsignale or wetterkurzsignale requires a preamble with the following format:
RECIPIENT TIME/DATE/MSG_NR GROUPS
Then, you put your two indicator groups at the head and tail of the message. If you are using a 3 rotor Enigma, you add a 'padding' character to the beginning of the first group, and a padding character to the end of the second group so that they are both 4 characters long. For a 4 rotor enigma, you don't add any padding. For our purposes, a "broadcast" message to all boats at sea could have a recipient of "VVV", for example.


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Old 03-03-09, 02:06 PM   #24
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Since I don't know morse by heart I'm using online morse generator to code or decode messages in morse.
Like this one: http://webnet77.com/cgi-bin/helpers/morse.pl
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WOSF CONI PSEE QEFC RETA GZKK VDRP EADP AOCX PBKY
VNPJ YZUK EICD XBRI TZPR ZLBZ OOPD WOAM RTUI BLYN
GSOE LYOU RGWM PMVO YYFS LIBH FPPR UOJR AUED NMZS
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VGNI PFEW UCPP PDGU TGLN HOQG SOLG ITXX CDAO MGGX
XZLP ZMNP UCSZ QYGW NKWN SAVX VWHD IEQF HWGM LHOK
WPQH TVEV EYBT NWWV JFWS VYJQ VGNI PFEW

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VGNI PFEW UCPP PDGU TGLN HOQG SOLG ITXX CDAO MGGX
XZLP ZMNP UCSZ QYGW NKWN SAVX VWHD IEQF HWGM LHOK
WPQH TVEV EYBT NWWV JFWS VYJQ VGNI PFEW

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I lost you on this one. Should there be already new settings on this message ?
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I quit the Boy Scouts when they wanted me to earn a Morse Code merit badge. Then I joined the Navy. They made me a radioman. Learned to type in one week and learned Morse the next. Then we used a teletype, and I only ever used the key once. Then I promptly made a point of forgetting it. That was forty years ago.

I use English, thanks.
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VGNI PFEW UCPP PDGU TGLN HOQG SOLG ITXX CDAO MGGX
XZLP ZMNP UCSZ QYGW NKWN SAVX VWHD IEQF HWGM LHOK
WPQH TVEV EYBT NWWV JFWS VYJQ VGNI PFEW

On edit: New settings.
I lost you on this one. Should there be already new settings on this message ?
Yep. Four rotor Enigma, settings as suggested by klt_KUrtz:

B | Gamma IV VI I | 02 01 16 16 | AS BV CM DF EP GU HK IJ LO NT
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I quit the Boy Scouts when they wanted me to earn a Morse Code merit badge. Then I joined the Navy. They made me a radioman. Learned to type in one week and learned Morse the next. Then we used a teletype, and I only ever used the key once. Then I promptly made a point of forgetting it. That was forty years ago.

I use English, thanks.
Bite your tongue.

Morse is *THE* most perfect form of communication. It is media independent: You can send it via audio, by keying an RF carrier on and off, or a light, or you can even wiggle your arse in Morse. You can't do that with teletype, or even voice.

It's also a damned fine way to communicate if you are ever paralyzed. If you have *ANY* voluntary muscle control at all, you can use it to send Morse, even if it's by blinking an eye, wiggling a toe, or even modulating your breath.

Not only that, but it's a universal language also. I can and have had conversations with people who didn't speak English because Morse Q signals and prosigns are the same in every language.

In short, Morse rocks

And I'm not just saying that because I'm brain damaged from my time as a ditty bopper.
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