Merchant firepower - Page 2

Sailor Steve · 06-06-07, 04:37 PM

Even a broadside from Yamato (which had the heaviest) only weighed about 15 tons. The explosive power, on the other hand, probably wouldn't blow a type II into the air, but one shell might blow it in half.

Growler · 06-06-07, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Even a broadside from Yamato (which had the heaviest) only weighed about 15 tons. The explosive power, on the other hand, probably wouldn't blow a type II into the air, but one shell might blow it in half.

And in either case, I don't think anyone on the Type II will be complaining much.

KeptinCranky · 06-06-07, 07:00 PM

15 tons,

that's still an awful lot of explosives but I agree, probably not enough to launch a submerged sub into the air

if properly straddled by such a broadside there wouldn't be all that much left of it though so indeed no complainers.

06-07-07, 03:35 AM

I don't see any sense in firing at greater ranges than 1000 meters in GWX.First,you get yourself compromised.Second,you'll waste a damn lots of "HE" rounds to finish the ship.Third,it's a good chance somebody of the deck crew gets killed.

It's always better to do a stealth approach at periscope depth,and to perform a precise torpedo attack.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-07-07, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Genghis Khan

I don't see any sense in firing at greater ranges than 1000 meters in GWX.First,you get yourself compromised.Second,you'll waste a damn lots of "HE" rounds to finish the ship.Third,it's a good chance somebody of the deck crew gets killed.

It's always better to do a stealth approach at periscope depth,and to perform a precise torpedo attack.

Bingo!

For these reasons you state above, the old debate about deck gun rate of fire is pointless!

What should happen if we have properly approximated the evolution of the U-boat war... is that it becomes inadviseable to use the deck gun... and demonstrates the reason why they were omitted from U-boats as the war progressed... but at the same time allow the player to retain the freedom to keep and use it... at his own risk.

06-07-07, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Bingo!

For these reasons you state above, the old debate about deck gun rate of fire is pointless!

What should happen if we have properly approximated the evolution of the U-boat war... is that it becomes inadviseable to use the deck gun... and demonstrates the reason why they were omitted from U-boats as the war progressed... but at the same time allow the player to retain the freedom to keep and use it... at his own risk.

You are absolutely right.The main purpose of deck gun is to earn extra tonnage during years 1939 - early 1941.And that is all.

Of course,there are pleasant occassions sometimes.For example,if you encounter an Elco torpedo boat,or a fishing boat and would like to show them what the real weapon is supposed to be.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-07-07, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Genghis Khan

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Bingo!

For these reasons you state above, the old debate about deck gun rate of fire is pointless!

What should happen if we have properly approximated the evolution of the U-boat war... is that it becomes inadviseable to use the deck gun... and demonstrates the reason why they were omitted from U-boats as the war progressed... but at the same time allow the player to retain the freedom to keep and use it... at his own risk.

You are absolutely right.The main purpose of deck gun is to earn extra tonnage during years 1939 - early 1941.And that is all.

Of course,there are pleasant occassions sometimes.For example,if you encounter an Elco torpedo boat,or a fishing boat and would like to show them what the real weapon is supposed to be.

True... but those Elcos can really hurt you too. Try one, and you'll see what I mean!

You'll probably sink it... but you will want to sail home afterwards.

06-07-07, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

True... but those Elcos can really hurt you too. Try one, and you'll see what I mean!

You'll probably sink it... but you will want to sail home afterwards.

I have already done this in GWX (Mid 1940,Type IXB U-123) in Liverpool Bay.All they can do is to dock aside and keep firing rapidly with their machine gun.
Damage is not significant,6 or 7 percents to the total Hull Integrity during several minutes of such "metal raining".However,2 or 3 rounds of 105 mm deck gun just wipe them off the sea surface.Though,I must admit,I don't switch on fully realistic damage.

Kpt. Lehmann · 06-07-07, 06:20 AM

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Though,I must admit,I don't switch on fully realistic damage.

Awww, come on now!

It makes life so much more interesting... and intense!

Jimbuna · 06-07-07, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

True... but those Elcos can really hurt you too. Try one, and you'll see what I mean!

You'll probably sink it... but you will want to sail home afterwards.

I have already done this in GWX (Mid 1940,Type IXB U-123) in Liverpool Bay.All they can do is to dock aside and keep firing rapidly with their machine gun.
Damage is not significant,6 or 7 percents to the total Hull Integrity during several minutes of such "metal raining".However,2 or 3 rounds of 105 mm deck gun just wipe them off the sea surface.Though,I must admit,I don't switch on fully realistic damage.

I find your post a little strange kaleun :hmm:

Many are the times I have destroyed an Elco with only a few percentage point drops in my hull integrity.....but often with the added deficit of losing one or two members of the gun crew or bridge watch

Your boat obviously leads a charmed life

Canovaro · 06-07-07, 07:51 AM

SH3 is all about being the sneaky bastard.

Growler · 06-07-07, 12:10 PM

[quote=Kpt. Lehmann]

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Originally Posted by Genghis Khan

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Though,I must admit,I don't switch on fully realistic damage.

Awww, come on now!

It makes life so much more interesting... and intense!

You forgot one...

...and short!

06-08-07, 03:34 AM

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Your boat obviously leads a charmed life

Yes,of course.As I said in "The Exclusive Type IX Club" thread,U-123 is just immortal.Even after lying on the bottom,I will blow balast,surface,and sink them all.

06-06-07, 04:37 PM	#16
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Even a broadside from Yamato (which had the heaviest) only weighed about 15 tons. The explosive power, on the other hand, probably wouldn't blow a type II into the air, but one shell might blow it in half. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-06-07, 07:00 PM	#18
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	15 tons, that's still an awful lot of explosives but I agree, probably not enough to launch a submerged sub into the air if properly straddled by such a broadside there wouldn't be all that much left of it though so indeed no complainers.

06-07-07, 03:35 AM	#19
Genghis Khan Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I don't see any sense in firing at greater ranges than 1000 meters in GWX.First,you get yourself compromised.Second,you'll waste a damn lots of "HE" rounds to finish the ship.Third,it's a good chance somebody of the deck crew gets killed. It's always better to do a stealth approach at periscope depth,and to perform a precise torpedo attack.

06-07-07, 07:51 AM	#26
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	SH3 is all about being the sneaky bastard.