what was realistic patrol tonnage like ?

9th_cow · 04-29-07, 08:50 AM

I just struggled through my first full real mission, and came out of it with a rather embarrasing 28K. Still makes me top ace by a clear 8K.
and im just wondering, with one torp chasing me about the place forcing me to break off my attack.
my first ever sinkings in a campaign with manual aim, came in a zero visability storm.
one ship i missed once, one torp exploded, 3 hit and it took a 4th to finally sink it.
next one took 2.

third and final kill i got into a task force and took out the Mogami.
1 missed. 1 blew up on the way in, 2 hit and sent her down.

later in the day i engaged a task foce not far behind them, 4 remaining torps irc, 1 missed, 1 hit damage only, 2 blew up on the way in.

thats it no fish left, RTB.

so after some weeks at sea, mainly low visability, but even in high vis always very rough seas.

is 27ish K acceptable ? what would have happened to a real commander who came back home with that ?

I must admit it makes a change to comming home with 80K a patrol. actually earning kills is difficult.
that said why do some of my fish now chase me, they just go in circles. early war feature ? or will this bug me forever ?

Torpex752 · 04-29-07, 08:52 AM

A really good patrol averaged about 30K tons. The average was probably from 15-25K.

Every time a sub came back and a ship was sunk the crew was awared a star for the combat pin. The captain of the Crevalle got the "Navy Cross" and the XO and several key officers got Silver Stars for @30K

Frank

9th_cow · 04-29-07, 08:58 AM

Ah ok, nice to know then that im comming home with a realistic score.
because realisticly, 27K is about my limit.
ill come home with more, and even less im sure. but its going to be fun finding out

Chock · 04-29-07, 09:03 AM

By way of an example:

The submarine Gato (SS-212), which the class was named after, was built in August 1941, she conducted 13 patrols throughout the war, received 13 Battle Stars and a Presidential Unit Citation, and her total tally of ships sunk was nine, adding up to 26,085 tons. Certainly not one of the highest-scoring subs, but definitely earning her keep, in that a sub's success was not just measured by tonnage. Lifeguard duty, dropping off agents, reporting sightings and offering experience to upcoming commanders were all other ways in which a sub's success could be measured.

So your figure represents a realistic one for a high-scoring patrol.

mookiemookie · 04-29-07, 09:35 AM

Here's a list of best war patrols by tonnage sunk. As you can see, 28,000 tons would be enough to put you at #13 on this list:

http://www.valoratsea.com/tonnage1.htm

Sailor Steve · 04-29-07, 02:35 PM

Also look at the number of ships sunk per patrol. It's not like a 'clean sweep' was an entire convoy (unless of course the entire convoy was 3 ships).

Packerton · 04-29-07, 02:41 PM

THe reason we as players get so much more tonnage is that we get multiple chances at the war

.

Theses guys only had 3 or 4 years to practice...and it was dangerous practice.

tycho102 · 04-29-07, 08:28 PM

I typically come back with +20k. About my top has been a port-sneak with 3 carriers tied up. Dropped two (60k) on my way out, plus some deck gunnery on a passenger liner (10k). Early '42 in a Gar.

It was highly splendiforous. Halsey sprung wood on the radio report.

deamyont · 05-01-07, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Here's a list of best war patrols by tonnage sunk. As you can see, 28,000 tons would be enough to put you at #13 on this list:

http://www.valoratsea.com/tonnage1.htm

Archerfish - 1 ship @ 59,000 tonnes? The Shinano I guess?

Ducimus · 05-01-07, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deamyont

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Here's a list of best war patrols by tonnage sunk. As you can see, 28,000 tons would be enough to put you at #13 on this list:

http://www.valoratsea.com/tonnage1.htm

Archerfish - 1 ship @ 59,000 tonnes? The Shinano I guess?

Ya. Obviously a one time only event

Not likey the IJN had Yamato's converted into aircraft carriers in their pockets like chump change .:rotfl:

04-29-07, 09:35 AM	#5
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04-29-07, 02:35 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Also look at the number of ships sunk per patrol. It's not like a 'clean sweep' was an entire convoy (unless of course the entire convoy was 3 ships). __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-29-07, 08:50 AM	#1
9th_cow Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	what was realistic patrol tonnage like ? I just struggled through my first full real mission, and came out of it with a rather embarrasing 28K. Still makes me top ace by a clear 8K. and im just wondering, with one torp chasing me about the place forcing me to break off my attack. my first ever sinkings in a campaign with manual aim, came in a zero visability storm. one ship i missed once, one torp exploded, 3 hit and it took a 4th to finally sink it. next one took 2. third and final kill i got into a task force and took out the Mogami. 1 missed. 1 blew up on the way in, 2 hit and sent her down. later in the day i engaged a task foce not far behind them, 4 remaining torps irc, 1 missed, 1 hit damage only, 2 blew up on the way in. thats it no fish left, RTB. so after some weeks at sea, mainly low visability, but even in high vis always very rough seas. is 27ish K acceptable ? what would have happened to a real commander who came back home with that ? I must admit it makes a change to comming home with 80K a patrol. actually earning kills is difficult. that said why do some of my fish now chase me, they just go in circles. early war feature ? or will this bug me forever ?

04-29-07, 08:52 AM	#2
Torpex752 Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep River, CT Posts: 255 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	A really good patrol averaged about 30K tons. The average was probably from 15-25K. Every time a sub came back and a ship was sunk the crew was awared a star for the combat pin. The captain of the Crevalle got the "Navy Cross" and the XO and several key officers got Silver Stars for @30K Frank

04-29-07, 08:58 AM	#3
9th_cow Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	Ah ok, nice to know then that im comming home with a realistic score. because realisticly, 27K is about my limit. ill come home with more, and even less im sure. but its going to be fun finding out

04-29-07, 09:03 AM	#4
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	By way of an example: The submarine Gato (SS-212), which the class was named after, was built in August 1941, she conducted 13 patrols throughout the war, received 13 Battle Stars and a Presidential Unit Citation, and her total tally of ships sunk was nine, adding up to 26,085 tons. Certainly not one of the highest-scoring subs, but definitely earning her keep, in that a sub's success was not just measured by tonnage. Lifeguard duty, dropping off agents, reporting sightings and offering experience to upcoming commanders were all other ways in which a sub's success could be measured. So your figure represents a realistic one for a high-scoring patrol.

04-29-07, 02:41 PM	#7
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	THe reason we as players get so much more tonnage is that we get multiple chances at the war . Theses guys only had 3 or 4 years to practice...and it was dangerous practice.

04-29-07, 08:28 PM	#8
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I typically come back with +20k. About my top has been a port-sneak with 3 carriers tied up. Dropped two (60k) on my way out, plus some deck gunnery on a passenger liner (10k). Early '42 in a Gar. It was highly splendiforous. Halsey sprung wood on the radio report.