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09-14-14, 01:08 PM | #16 |
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I'm just gonna put this out there. Seems to fit the situation...
.... This is all George W. Bush's fault.
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What I fail to see is how it still works in a modern society with weapons technology far evolved beyond the simple rifle, a tyrannical government, if in control of its military, could kill its citizens far beyond the range of the longest ranged rifle. That being said, I guess there is some comfort and protection from it...however, the biggest problem that really needs to be drilled into people is securing the weapon and better mental health care. What I do object to is the false myths (such as DJ Kelleys Nazi rant) and the failed arguments that some pro-gun advocates put forward. Honestly, I think America is going to have to do a bit of soul searching in the future, because there is a big split between left and right wing parties, and although there are plenty of moderates, the extremists are shouting louder than they are...just like in most things in life I suppose. In regards to conservatism, that's a little harder, it's not an easy thing to change a persons ideology, although I have undergone a slow transformation from being quite left wing to more centerist. I hung around on a forum with quite a lot of young left-wing idealists, and to say that they were annoying would be a bit of an understatement, so that put me off the far left somewhat. There are things I agree and disagree with, a centralised planned economy for example is something I think that is unworkable, however I do believe in the nationalisation of certain vital industries, things like healthcare, transport, and utilities, namely because I don't believe that big companies are capable of operating with the consumer in mind instead of their profits (admittedly most governments are the same which makes nationalisation just as ineffective) and in a sector were things are vital for people means that the companies would have a stranglehold over it which means that they could charge what they want. Obviously introducing competition into the factor would help matters, but the unfortunately as we've seen in the UK, corruption soon swiftly kicks in. In short, both systems are flawed, but I tend to lean more center left than right, but I can still understand the conservative viewpoint in some matters. In regards to Dr Pepper...actually, you're preaching to the choir there, unfortunately I've had to switch to caffeine and sugar free coke because too much of the two have had some bad side effects for me. I'm not much of an alcohol drinker, only on special occasions. What I do dislike and try to combat is extremism in any forms, I find it gives a certain viewpoint a bad name and discourages people from it. I am pro-animal rights, but I find PETA are a PITA, and there are plenty of other examples, I am not a Muslim fanatic apologist, I find what ISIL is doing morally repugnant, but I don't blame the worlds followers of Islam for it. I also dislike racism and bigotry, I think that we were all born equal on this planet, and there is no reason to differenticate because of race, social status, beliefs or sex. It's a shame that there are many (too many) out there who do. Quote:
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09-14-14, 02:11 PM | #18 |
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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171598
I think that's the one that Tribes is referring to, but sadly since he is allergic to links I can't be sure... |
09-14-14, 02:21 PM | #19 |
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If we can just get the members of this site to understand that they don't have to respond to a post they don't agree with.
This is a website about video games. No one wins any discussion about politics or world events on this site. I am pretty confident that the world's leadership is not monitoring GT to get information to form their policies. If people keep responding to these types of postings, the thread lives far too long. Let the people vent their OPINIONS. No one has to respond. But if we encourage people to vent their opinions in a manner we don't like, we can't be surprised if they continue to do so. Response is what feeds them. Threads that people don't respond to, move further down the list until they are forgotten. Just remember that opinions are like farts Every rectum has them To every one else they stink In polite society it is often better to keep them to yourselves.
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09-14-14, 03:11 PM | #21 | |
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There is a reference in the name "Christians" that points to Christ himself. And when you refuse to follow his preachings, the inner attitude he hoped to cause in people, then you are not "Christian" at all. Muhammad's teaching was very different to that of Jesus. Because he was a warlord and bandit leader. Take away key parts of his message that meant to form totalitarian unity and absolute loyalty of his warriors - what then is left of him that is worth to be called "Muhammedan"? And what other parts are there in the koran, both the mekkanese and the medinese suras, that are not originating directly in muhammad? None. Many people expect Islam to reform itself. But how could that come about when Islam always is allowed to sneak out of its responsibility of being the motivator and basis of all the grim things it brings over mankind? why should it - when the "radicals"are allowed to not being seen as a not only legitimate but the real face of Islam? Their murdering of apostate-muslims from korann's point of view is legal, and even demanded. They - moderate muslims - were and are a threat to the totalitarian claim of Muhammad/Islam. Lets set an example to scare all others - lets kill them! I knew half a dozen former Muslims who became apostates. Two of them said that the meeting with me and the debates resulting :-) had a major causal effect on them in forming their decisions. They both gave up their families, parents, friends. They hid, too, they had to. And this here in Germany, 21st century. Huge pain to their conscience, you can imagine. And yet they told me that I did them right in not letting them escape the unpleasant implications of their former "compromise" solution of not following the koran, but still calling themselves "Muslim". But they had stopped to be Muslim long time before. Both have left Germany meanwhile, saying that it was no longer safe for them here.
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09-14-14, 04:08 PM | #23 |
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And another thing, since Neal mentioned name calling.
As I briefly explained in the other thread, a phobia refers to an ill state of mind, a state of a mental disorder, so to speak, considering the irrational nature of the fear that the term "phobia" means. Calling people xenophobic or Islamophobic just because they criticse islam with solid and founded argument, not only tries to attack them by labelling them to be mentally deranged of some kind, it also has an ironic implication that these clever guys do not seem to realise. By claiming the other is xenophobic they necessarily imply that themselves they are representing the "healthy" opinion there is, that their view is the result from being mentally sane, and criticising their views only is possible for an ill person, a mentally unhealthy person, when the other suffers from a kind of mental derangement or mental irrationality bordering to that. I find that kind of "demonisation" especially underhanded. It compares to past times when people tried to defame critics or rivals to be heretics so that they got pulled away or burnt as heretics. Maybe that is what makes it so effective and so so much used by the Islam-defence lobby. Having been the target of Islamic hostility and death threats myself and having worked with people who became victims of Islamic bullying and intimidation and assaulting on the street when I helped in a Bürgerinitiative battling against an attempt of collusive mosque-increasement over here, I make special mental notes of people behaving in this way of trying to replace argument with simple character assassination. They do not realise how absolute they rate their own view to be - while accusing the other to be intolerant. If that is not some grim irony, then I maybe do not correctly understood what the term irony means. It compares to demanding death for all who doubt that Islam is a tolerant and peaceful religion.
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09-14-14, 05:24 PM | #24 |
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09-14-14, 09:19 PM | #26 |
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You keep saying that. Could you possibly show it?
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09-14-14, 09:41 PM | #27 |
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Well, remember, this thread is not about what we are discussing, but how we are discussing it.
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09-14-14, 10:15 PM | #28 |
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Neal, would love to see a "anything goes" thread......Be interesting if people could really express themselves what they would say....
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09-15-14, 01:50 PM | #30 |
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If you mean am I still waiting for you to provide a link or back up your claims whenever you assault someone, then Yes.
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