Do we really want to ruin this forum with constant DRM and SH5 trashing?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No, no, I was agreeing with you and expanding on the point you made.

Oooops ! My bad

[flag4]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Actually my whole post is neither pointless or spam in my opinion, I was speaking out against the trolling that is going on.

FYI the whole post:



There are plenty of people here who don't own the game but make a sizable contribution to the forum nonethless, my point was that there are also people here who just enjoy bashing the game and occasionally the members who play the game. Have a look around the threads - there's still plenty of bashing going on.

Perhaps I could have worded it better but my point was that constantly repeating the same tired old stuff is getting boring to me - and from reading this thread I'm guessing that I'm not the only one.

I find myself logging in but not taking part anymore for fear of being bashed if I dare to say that I like the game.

dont be fearful, you can like the game as much as you like - as much as those who rile against it: i whish i was in your shoes; with a machine that could take full advantage of the graphics and a mind-set that was not put off by the problems it is having.

i really dont think this should be the issue - people liking it or not, but what the heck will UBI do to put things right IF they have caused so much trouble with a faulty product.

it is actually quite refreshing to read that people DO like it, it gives a sense of hope that all is not lost - or as bad as things are supposed to be.

i dont like the idea of DRM - but that is just me. i do like the idea we have another installement of SH. and maybe when i can afford a new machine to play it on - THIS will be the time when SH5 is ready and in a state where i want to be part of it: but untill then i have SH3 and SH4 (4 is in a box - never played it yet, but i am warming..) to play; and quite honestly 3 is still very good AND im learning manual targetting, so i am having fun and failure!!

i have said it in the past; i whish SH5 well and hope UBI comprimise over the DRM thing: it looks like a beautiful game, maybe all it needs is some TLC and common sense to sort it all out.

[mcarlsonus]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

As you say and I noticed as well, the single missions work quite well. The Pedestal mission is quite tough.

I am sure the campaign can be improved, most of the bugs appear to be there.

But, damn Bilge! How is it possible that the MP and Historicals can be so GOOD - AND worthy successors to SH3 and 4, but the Campaign's are so gawd awful? I'm BAFFLED!

[thyro]

Originally Posted by John Channing

While waiting for these I would also recommend keeping a sharp eye out for flying pigs .

JCC

And who told you that pigs don't fly?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by mcarlsonus

But, damn Bilge! How is it possible that the MP and Historicals can be so GOOD - AND worthy successors to SH3 and 4, but the Campaign's are so gawd awful? I'm BAFFLED!

Someone more knowledgable than me would have to look in the campaign files. Maybe they are all green rookies with a passive doctrine in 39? As someone else pointed out, the AI is governed partly by special attack scripts and it appears some of them do not work in the game. It may have something to do with the RPG elements? I am keeping my fingers crossed that the devs will patch it.

If you look at, for example, the PQ-17 single mission, all the escorts are "veterans" with an "aggressive" doctrine and they are quite good at detecting and keping you down. They will even peel off just 3-4 escorts to hunt for my sub while the rest protect the convoy. I am now testing one of the AI mods which is supposed to fix the attack scripts to see if it makes a difference.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Do you even own it?

Because if you do, and you have played it for more than an hour, than I really can't understand your comments.

JCC

Dear Moderator,

If there is anything concluded (so far) about this game - it is lack of immersion, unfinnished product, arcade gameply, u-boat captain running from station to station (?) ... i.e. there are two main groups of people "that own":
- nice graphics keep people playing
- angry people that regret preorder

Did You ask PC IGN if they have the game ?
Did You ask game experts that rated the game from 20% - 50.5% if they have a game ?
Is it a lay that Ubi - pushed DRM into mouth of sim community (pirats ?) that kept alive SH series for a years and years... ?
Is it a lay that Ubi released commercial & unfinished product that - sim community should mod and convert into simulator ?
Did You ask yourself - where are all these famous "long term" names of Subsim that are not even playing "this" - let alone moding it or participating SH5 forum ?
( I understand them more and more... )

I understand that You must "preserve" the only future subsim game as core of Subsim site - but it is, after last 3-4 weeks facts, a real question... WHAT is new, untrue, or surprising for You as moderator in this "game impressions summary" ?

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by thyro

And who told you that pigs don't fly?

Cool!

A Cabin Supervisor on Air Canada once told me that they (quietly) refer to drunken business men as "PIGS IN SPAAAAAAACE" (a muppet show reference for our younger readers)

JCC

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Dear Moderator,

If there is anything concluded (so far) about this game - it is lack of immersion, unfinnished product, arcade gameply, u-boat captain running from station to station (?) ... i.e. there are two main groups of people "that own":
- nice graphics keep people playing
- angry people that regret preorder

Did You ask PC IGN if they have the game ?
Did You ask game experts that rated the game from 20% - 50.5% if they have a game ?
Is it a lay that Ubi - pushed DRM into mouth of sim community (pirats ?) that kept alive SH series for a years and years... ?
Is it a lay that Ubi released commercial & unfinished product that - sim community should mod and convert into simulator ?
Did You ask yourself - where are all these famous "long term" names of Subsim that are not even playing "this" - let alone moding it or participating SH5 forum ?
( I understand them more and more... )

I understand that You must "preserve" the only future subsim game as core of Subsim site - but it is, after last 3-4 weeks facts, a real question... WHAT is new, untrue, or surprising for You as moderator in this "game impressions summary" ?

ummmmmm... yeah.

Was the answer to my question anywhere in there? Because if it is, I can't find it.

JCC

[John Channing]

Don't rule out the possibility that they have been set that way on purpose to reflect historical accuracy of that time.

Really... don't rule it out.

JCC

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by John Channing

ummmmmm... yeah.

Was the answer to my question anywhere in there? Because if it is, I can't find it.

JCC

No. I do not own it but I know people that do... and I have seen more than enough.

So it is your pleasure now to reply to my questions... or to explain to all this web sites, veteran members, disapointed owners, price droppers... etc. - to get serious!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Dear Moderator,

If there is anything concluded (so far) about this game - it is lack of immersion, unfinnished product, arcade gameply, u-boat captain running from station to station (?) ... i.e. there are two main groups of people "that own":
- nice graphics keep people playing
- angry people that regret preorder

I'm sorry mate but you don't speak for me.

I own the game and I play it because I enjoy playing it - and thats it in a nutshell.

[robbo180265]

I hope you don't mind but as a game owner I'm gonna take you up on some of your other points too

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Dear Moderator,

If there is anything concluded (so far) about this game - it is lack of immersion I have no problem with immersion - no worse than SHIII, unfinnished product Agree, arcade gameply disagree - no worse than vanilla SHIII, u-boat captain running from station to station Not had to run anywhere yet - which is just as well as my machine is laggy as hell inside the sub (?) ... i.e. there are two main groups of people "that own":
- nice graphics keep people playing
- angry people that regret preorder I've covered that

[mookiemookie]

I agree with you JC, but some of that AI is really dumb. I mean to the point of "no sane person would act that way" dumb. Escorts and planes should at least acknowledge the fact that you exist. They may be fairly inept in prosecuting a contact and that would be believeable, but too many times I've run through convoys firing off torpedoes left and right without the escorts even reacting at all. And of course the planes that do nothing issue is another kettle of fish.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by flag4

i can not remember - exactly - what Peter Finch called out in the film Network - put we should be shouting it at UBI if it is that bad.

Yeah, I saw that movie. That's a Hollywood solution, won't work in real life. A lot of people with low emotional triggers yelling in anger...that goes on for maybe 15 minutes, nothing is solved except people who are trying to read or sleep are disturbed. Then the angry mob gets tired of shouting and go to the fridge for a beer.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

It is pathetic game from the day one:

Simulation community should swallow arcade RPG, DRM, 40% finished product, boring campaign, support the brand with they money...etc.

...and Ubi ?

What steps UBi displayed so far or announced as next ?

For mutual "love and support" - it takes two sides...

Ubi made a commercial product for mass-gaming instead of simulation... OK. Fair enaugh - so enjoy your sales results...

***
You don't have to serve sim community... but please show some respect to people who kept SH brand for ten years.

Adriatico, your post is just hyperbole.

SH5 is a subsim. It is not any more "arcade" than SH3 or 4. The RPG type "skills" need some work, but I would not say that is a major issue.

It is finished since all the elements you expect in a subsim are there, i.e. working sub, single missions, campaign. It has a certain amount of bugs/issues, about on the same level as SH3/4 when they came out.

Boring campaign? It is the same type of campaign as in SH3/4, i.e., go there, sink ships, some back alive.

DRM? well no one likes DRM, but that has nothing to do with the underlying simulation.

If you want to dismiss SH5 out of hand without even trying it out, that is your choice, but don't masquerade your post as a statement of fact.