50 Years of Doctor Who - Page 14

Jimbuna · 05-16-13, 11:10 AM

I'd best not tell you he dies at the end then

Rhodes · 05-16-13, 11:18 AM

Already got the read some spoilers!
Really? With one more season to go (plus Clara).

! Even if he said in SJA that he could regenerate more that 12, I still belive that 12 was good number, so they have to have a actor that beat Tom Baker and his 6 years or more of Doctor Who!

Jimbuna · 05-16-13, 11:23 AM

I'm not convinced any Doctor will outlive that record nowadays.

Rhodes · 05-16-13, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm not convinced any Doctor will outlive that record nowadays.

Hummmmm!

He they end the show with the 13th Doctor (normal with the 12 regenerations) they will have a N number of fans saying that it is wrong and the same N number saying that it is right. If they do not and the Doctor have a few more incarnations, a N number of fans saying that it is wrong and the same N number saying that it is right!

Enfim... has I say!

Sailor Steve · 05-16-13, 11:28 AM

The Second Doctor said he was 450 years old. He also said that barring accidents Time Lords could live forever. The Third Doctor said he had been a scientist for "thousands of years". The Fourth Doctor said he was only 749, not 750. The Tenth Doctor said he was 903, then we saw when he passed 1000.

The "Twelve regenerations" thing was first mentioned when they brought back The Master after Roger Delgado died. This was in The Deadly Assassin, and they said he had used up all twelve of them. I believe that with the Time Lords all gone and The Doctor having become much more powerful, that is now past history. The truth is that he can regenerate for as long as the show is popular. They'll always think of something.

Rhodes · 05-16-13, 11:41 AM

The six Doctor says something about 800 years, during the last season, The Trial of a Time Lord, second story, I think.
Funny thing the 2nd saying that, because after the first regeneration, he finds the 500 year journal of the 1st one. Always thought that the 1st had gone to 500 or beyond before dying.
The big trouble with the first 3 Docs and 4th one, it is prior to the Deadly Assassin, the 12 regenerations haven't been mention yet. After that, it became cannon! But if I recall, the City of Death story was after and it have more faces showed before the 1st Doctor face.

PS: talking by memory so...

STEED · 05-17-13, 02:08 PM

When Matt Smith starred as the Doctor in The Sarah Jane Adventures he passed some comment he could regenerate 900 times, I may not be spot on with the figure but it was well over 12.

BTW: Don't forget The Brain of Morbius where the Dr Vs Morbius in a battle of minds and Morbius pushed the Doctor well passed Hartnell's ere suggesting this was the Doctor before he decided to pinch a Tardis.

Sailor Steve · 05-17-13, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

BTW: Don't forget The Brain of Morbius where the Dr Vs Morbius in a battle of minds and Morbius pushed the Doctor well passed Hartnell's ere suggesting this was the Doctor before he decided to pinch a Tardis.

No, he didn't. The other pictures were Morbius's past lives.

STEED · 05-17-13, 02:31 PM

I say no..

Sailor Steve · 05-17-13, 02:46 PM

Possibly. Back in 1984 when I saw it for the first time I just assumed they wouldn't show the Doctor's past faces and not those of Morbius, and I've seen it a dozen time since without questioning that assessment. You could be right. Opinion is divided, even among the two writers who created the story in the first place.

It will never be definitively answered.

STEED · 05-17-13, 02:56 PM

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Morbius's mind drives the Doctor back and Morbius asks, "How far Doctor, how long have you lived?" The face becomes the Second Doctor and then the First Doctor. Other faces appear as Morbius tells the Doctor he will go back to his beginning.

I do agree to the point as it stands it sounds like the Doctor being pushed back and to this day it has never been answered. Clearly on the regeneration the script writers have made changes.

Another mystery at the start of Paul McGann's story we hear the Daleks put the Master on trial and executed him, why? As we know Dalek's don't bother with court cases they go straight to exterminate.

Sailor Steve · 05-17-13, 03:02 PM

I saw that as tying in with The Evil of The Daleks, the 2nd Doctor 7-parter where he and Jamie first meet Victoria Waterfield. The Daleks are trying to become deadlier by absorbing "The Human Factor". They can't get anything from Jamie so they try to take it from The Doctor. The result is playful, friendly Daleks who want to have fun with the doctor. the two Dalek species then get into a civil war. I liked the opening of the movie for that very reason - the good Daleks won and were now helping the Time Lords.

The story of the Time War really threw me for a loop.

STEED · 05-17-13, 03:18 PM

The time war seems to be in a no ending loop and getting ever darker. It dose suggest the Time Lords are not dead but locked in this time bubble created by the Doctor, seems he feared it spreading to a no win situation for all sides, result end of everything. This raises a question, was that criminal?

The doctor in Image of the Fendahl

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Doctor, who by this time has worked out that the thing is a Fendahleen, a creature from his planet's mythology, supposedly destroyed when the Fifth Planet broke up. He makes his way into the priory and finds the skull, which tries to kill him. Leela saves him and they go off to the Fifth Planet, only to find that the Time Lords sealed the planet in a Time Loop, making all proper records invisible even to them.

I believe the Doctor called it criminal.

Karle94 · 05-17-13, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The truth is that he can regenerate for as long as the show is popular. They'll always think of something.

Didn`t he get all 12 regenerations from River when she saved him when he was poisoned in the episode "Let`s kill Hitler?"

Rhodes · 05-17-13, 04:30 PM

I think that during the Brain of Morbius it was not establish yet that Will. Hartnell was the 1st Doctor. But both arguments can be correct and even so a third one, that the Doctor is more ancient and had 12 previous lives (Morbius doctors has one person calls it) and with the "Loombs" idea, he manage to pass some genital material and give birth to a child that will became the Doctor!
http://meshyfish.com/~roo/index.html
The person has compiled a lot of information from the TV Series, novels, books, etc! It's a fan site but at least it has a lot of info about Who Universe!

05-16-13, 11:10 AM	#196
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'd best not tell you he dies at the end then __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-16-13, 11:18 AM	#197
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Already got the read some spoilers! Really? With one more season to go (plus Clara). ! Even if he said in SJA that he could regenerate more that 12, I still belive that 12 was good number, so they have to have a actor that beat Tom Baker and his 6 years or more of Doctor Who! __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

05-16-13, 11:23 AM	#198
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm not convinced any Doctor will outlive that record nowadays. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-16-13, 11:28 AM	#200
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The Second Doctor said he was 450 years old. He also said that barring accidents Time Lords could live forever. The Third Doctor said he had been a scientist for "thousands of years". The Fourth Doctor said he was only 749, not 750. The Tenth Doctor said he was 903, then we saw when he passed 1000. The "Twelve regenerations" thing was first mentioned when they brought back The Master after Roger Delgado died. This was in The Deadly Assassin, and they said he had used up all twelve of them. I believe that with the Time Lords all gone and The Doctor having become much more powerful, that is now past history. The truth is that he can regenerate for as long as the show is popular. They'll always think of something. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-16-13, 11:41 AM	#201
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	The six Doctor says something about 800 years, during the last season, The Trial of a Time Lord, second story, I think. Funny thing the 2nd saying that, because after the first regeneration, he finds the 500 year journal of the 1st one. Always thought that the 1st had gone to 500 or beyond before dying. The big trouble with the first 3 Docs and 4th one, it is prior to the Deadly Assassin, the 12 regenerations haven't been mention yet. After that, it became cannon! But if I recall, the City of Death story was after and it have more faces showed before the 1st Doctor face. PS: talking by memory so... __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

05-17-13, 02:08 PM	#202
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	When Matt Smith starred as the Doctor in The Sarah Jane Adventures he passed some comment he could regenerate 900 times, I may not be spot on with the figure but it was well over 12. BTW: Don't forget The Brain of Morbius where the Dr Vs Morbius in a battle of minds and Morbius pushed the Doctor well passed Hartnell's ere suggesting this was the Doctor before he decided to pinch a Tardis. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-17-13, 02:31 PM	#204
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I say no.. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 05-17-13 at 02:43 PM.

05-17-13, 02:46 PM	#205
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Possibly. Back in 1984 when I saw it for the first time I just assumed they wouldn't show the Doctor's past faces and not those of Morbius, and I've seen it a dozen time since without questioning that assessment. You could be right. Opinion is divided, even among the two writers who created the story in the first place. It will never be definitively answered. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-17-13, 03:02 PM	#207
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I saw that as tying in with The Evil of The Daleks, the 2nd Doctor 7-parter where he and Jamie first meet Victoria Waterfield. The Daleks are trying to become deadlier by absorbing "The Human Factor". They can't get anything from Jamie so they try to take it from The Doctor. The result is playful, friendly Daleks who want to have fun with the doctor. the two Dalek species then get into a civil war. I liked the opening of the movie for that very reason - the good Daleks won and were now helping the Time Lords. The story of the Time War really threw me for a loop. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-17-13, 04:30 PM	#210
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	I think that during the Brain of Morbius it was not establish yet that Will. Hartnell was the 1st Doctor. But both arguments can be correct and even so a third one, that the Doctor is more ancient and had 12 previous lives (Morbius doctors has one person calls it) and with the "Loombs" idea, he manage to pass some genital material and give birth to a child that will became the Doctor! http://meshyfish.com/~roo/index.html The person has compiled a lot of information from the TV Series, novels, books, etc! It's a fan site but at least it has a lot of info about Who Universe! __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/