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06-13-16, 11:19 AM | #181 | |
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I noticed that merchies and warships are all mixed up in there. Can someone give me a list of all merchies from the Sea folder? And I need to add a new column for FOTRS 2.0 ships as well. Remember that stock ships don't appear in the list for the mods. We should probably change that to list all ships that the mods change, if there are changes to the stock ship of the same name.
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06-13-16, 02:15 PM | #182 |
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And as a supplement to the above, I have just finished editing Ship types in mods.xls spreadsheet to include FOTRS 2.0. Big surprises there. There were several ship types present in FOTRS 1.3 that weren't present in 2.0, along with several new additions.
Also, there are no longer any hidden columns in the spreadsheet. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=4967 Same link--different stuff. Did I say I found out how to automatically get all the files in a folder into a text file list? Yahoo!
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06-13-16, 06:40 PM | #183 | |
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When you made your file list with Yahoo!, were you able to get the "details" to copy over, such as file size, modify date, etc. - that kind of stuff?... Also, if I get something useful with the sounds, I'll have to PM you for how to properly use Google Drive for upload. It took me a while to figure out how to download stuff. I can only imagine the shear terror I'll put in the Google people's hearts if I try to upload... "Oh no! He's online again, trying to upload to us... Brace for impact!" |
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06-13-16, 09:17 PM | #184 | |
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06-13-16, 10:14 PM | #185 |
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I'd say just have the AOTD_MadMax ships (all versions, if possible) in the 'base' mod, but maybe have "tested" ship packs from others available as "Ultimate Approved" add-ons... ??
I, wanting to get me file details, such as bit depth, sample rate and mono/stereo, not just the name & size of the files, copied into a spreadsheet for comparison purposes, and haven't yet. Anyone 'been there, done that'?... |
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Besides Double R's video, I took the time to make some comparison images of the two stock game behaviors. Here's the "Gaggle" stock game ships, and their actions: As you can see, a little over half hour after first contacting the convoy their so hopelessly lost there's no way they will get back together. No detection of my sub has been made. The ships are just running wild all over the screen! The following is the "Stock Convoy" mission: The above image is showing about how much the convoy gets out of line during the monitoring.....pretty boring stuff. Half hour later their back in line: A couple of hours later, their feeling their oats again: In less than 10 minutes their back in line.....following the expectations we have for them. Is the "Unit Leader" designation a problem for a "Random Group" of ships in a convoy. Could be, since this is about the only idea I have when comparing the differences between the two mission files. Why is this important you may ask? Having a good stock ship mission is critical in knowing what to expect from the stock game. How else will you know when a ship is acting normal or abnormal due to a modification you may be testing if you don't know what reactions the stock game will have during normal game play?
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06-14-16, 02:42 AM | #187 |
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Rockin Robbins, great discovery!! It didn't pass my mind that v1.3 has ships not included in v2.0. You've opened new horizons here! Also, your ship spreadsheet is of GREAT help to me. Specially the new version. Thanks!
It takes courage and honesty for a man to accept any mistake he did, and redeem himself in public. For me, you fully comply in both. CapnScurvy, your conclusion in mission designing is excellent. As you said, concrete stable missions are the best base of testing any modding done. Thanks for your efforts, working despite your condition! Propbeanie, just imagine the "Maddy's Greatest Hits" core version including all his beauties gathered together! I really don't know if it can be done, but we can at least try. It's surely worth it. CdrSubron7, feel free to contact me and tell me how could I help you with your "ship quest". The damage model goes well, better balanced now, I may completely eliminate hit points as a factor (still testing that), but I'm having a newbie question that troubles me and I need help with. I have to test every single ship's behavior when damaged. No choice here. Then, adjust and test again. Our old friend, the Kiturin Maru for example, is listed as NPL_Kiturin in the \Sea folder. However, in-game it's Medium Passengership. How could I get the in-game ship names for my tests? I'd kill for an RR's ship spreadsheet with ships in-game names. Any help/suggestion on this would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Billy. |
06-14-16, 08:29 AM | #188 | |
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XTBilly, print off the "names.cfg" file found in the Data/Roster folder of whatever game mod you're using. Putting it into Windows Word, you'll be able to arrange each section into an alphabetical order for quick reference. This file uses the specific name each model has been assigned from the creators; it then changes the name to whatever "given" name a person may wish to use during the game.
Comparing the stock game "given" names to the modded "given" names used should help in figuring out what's what? Like the "PLKiturin", its called the "Modern Passenger Liner" in the stock game. In a lot of mods, it's called what the creators called the model....."Kiturin Maru".
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06-14-16, 11:02 AM | #189 | |
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06-14-16, 12:26 PM | #190 | |
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I want to point something out.
As you look through the "names.cfg" file you'll see the entries listed as the creators called them. Looks like this: "ABCDEFG=given name" As I said, the first name usually corresponds to the model name. Its also going to correspond to the "ClassName=" or "UnitName=" that's found throughout the game files. It's this name that the game uses to link the various parts together to the one model. This name will usually be different than the "given" name of the model found to the right of the equal sign.
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06-14-16, 03:24 PM | #191 | |
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I have noticed with my convoys, similar behavior to what RR and you have documented with your encounters... Perhaps we'd make mention in the ReadMe file for the updated mod of such info... ?? In the meantime, the AC went out in our car, so it's off to see the wizard, to see if I can get me some cool air... for not too much money, I hope. I've got too much stuff breaking lately. |
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06-15-16, 03:58 AM | #192 | |||
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Right click on the map area you want your group to be spawned. You'll find this menu box: Clicking the "Add Random Generated Group", you'll get another box: This is where you give your Random Group a name....mine is Convoy_1. You'll get a marker like this showing on the map: Right clicking the marker will produce another menu group; left click the "Define Group Contents": This will bring up the following box that contains your various ships in "Convoy_1". As You can see I'm using the "Generic" pick of the ships (the game will pick for you from the specific ship type listed). I chose the Tanker, Cargo, Troop Transport ship types. There will be 12 ships total with this make-up since the "Units No" is 3 each. The "Unit Class" box gives you all the various individual unit type's found in the game (plus the Generic one's). If a mod has its own ships (like FOTRS) you'll need to have the mod "activated" thru JSGME to have them listed and available for mission making. Do this before opening the Mission Editor. There is a place where you have to name a leader (the ME won't let you save anything if you don't).....I chose one of the Generic Tanker's as the "Leader Entry". Also notice I used the 700 meters as a "Formation Spacing". This is almost always what the stock game Campaign .mis files have for spacing..........Emulate, EMULATE. Once "Accept" is hit, by right clicking the map marker again, you'll need to left click the "Group Properties": This menu defines the Random Group. Notice there's nothing in the "Leader Unit" area: It's in this parameter that I noticed the Gaggle to Haggle With mission had a "Large Old Passenger Carrier" as its "Leader Unit". I don't know for sure why this would make a difference, I'm not 100% sure that it does at all. But, there is a difference in convoy behavior, and this is one place that's different between the two missions. By finishing the other parameters with the usual entries, this completes your random group "Convoy_1". With adding a "Human Controlled" sub to the mission, your ready to save your .mis as a "Normal" mission. The convoy will stick together with a few minor jukes/jives....but its all very normal. Quote:
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06-15-16, 09:21 AM | #194 | ||
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One thing I've noticed with making a group my way, the convoy's Group Parameter "Speed (Max XX.X) (Knots)" is directly related to whatever the slowest ship type that's in the group. For instance the "Stock Convoy" mission has a "Speed (Max 8.0) (Knots)" while the one I made just for the post has a "Speed (Max 10.0)(Knots)". I believe this is because there's a possible Fishing Boat Class (GENERIC Costal Traffic) in the "Stock Convoy" mission, where there is not one in the "Convoy_1" mission. It's not what speed the Leader may have for MaximumSpeed, but what the MaximumSpeed the slowest ship in the convoy has. Emulate, EMULATE the stock game!
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06-15-16, 09:22 AM | #195 | |
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You'll get the quaint "command window" which is really a DOS box, or at least the crippled remains of DOS. We still have the tools to get the job done. Now you'll have to navigate to the directory which contains the ship files. Type "cd c:\ubisoft\SH4FOTRS\data\sea" or whatever directory has the files you want. In mine, if I want the ships in FOTRS 2.0 it would be "cd C:\ubisoft\SH4FOTRS\MODS\FOTRS 2.0\sea." CD means change directory. Capitals don't need to be used because DOS doesn't care about letter case. Now that you're there, double check by typing "dir." You should see a list of the files on your machine. Good. Now type "dir > Ships in FOTRS 2.0.txt" It will pour everything you just saw on screen with the last command into a file called FOTRS 2.0.txt in the same directory you're working in. Of course you can substitute exact directories and file names as you see fit and you are now a certified old person. Congratulations......I think. Oh, if you type exit and press enter the command box will close.
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