[REL] Trigger Maru 1.2 (Updated May 22nd)

[don1reed]

I for one have to admit...I've been using the Modders as a crutch. These Sims, SH2, 3, & 4 are really just basic crap until they, the Modders mold them into something usable and playable and enjoyable.

But, if I were a Modder (which I am not), would I get my nose bent out of joint or my feeling hurt everytime someone spit into the wind?

Look, Modders rule here, a simple fact. They're artists and engineers rolled into one and sometimes some are...shall I say...temperamental. Even though what they do to the Subsims is not copyright , they, understandably get wrapped around the axle about "their baby", "their master-piece", "all their hard work", "they're other hobby".

The very moment they put "something" on the table for all of us users to enjoy, we're like hogs at a trough; they automatically loose control or ownership of their efforts. They feel justifyably violated whenever, anyone borrows, uses, mentions, re-modifies, their efforts in a "NEW MOD" without any notification and/or permission, or acknowledgement.

Sometimes they feel like baby sitters to all of us users, I'm sure, when we whine and moan about this ain't workin' or such 'n such isn't authentic, or realistic, or historic. Or this mod sux...

I've often wondered how I would react or how I'd handle all the crap...

If I was a modder, I'd submit my effort(s) and back off ... let the user beware ... If they have balls enough to D/L it and use the mod, then let them be ballsy enough to delete it if it doesn't suit their style. Afterall, no one is making/loosing any money over this. Users should be man (or woman) enough to try a mod then use it or delete it. No bitching, no one put a gun to our heads, ordering us to use it.

If it doesn't work, delete it and move out smartly to something else. Drive on.

Cheers to the modders.

[Laffertytig]

the way i see it is there are 2 major mods on the go at the moment, this one and RUB. ive been keepin tabs on both threads and havent seen anything written that would cause bad blood.

anyone got any links to threads where all this hostility has happened?

[Florida Sailor]

Originally Posted by Laffertytig

the way i see it is there are 2 major mods on the go at the moment, this one and RUB. ive been keepin tabs on both threads and havent seen anything written that would cause bad blood.

anyone got any links to threads where all this hostility has happened?

Try this one sir and get an education in obfuscation: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...s+%28Agreed%29

[jdkbph]

Hopefully, it's still OK to post questions in this thread?

I applied the v1.1 TM mod while in port between patrols, hoping to get the war time conning tower for my Gato class boat. Unfortunately, when I set sail on my next patrol I still had the big square port-holey thing up there.

Did I misapply the mod?

Or perhaps the problem is that I have a game in progress and the updated conning tower cannot now be applied?

Or maybe there's some specific date when the mod becomes active (it's Dec 42 at the moment)?

I don't see it listed as an "upgrade" I can apply while in port either (eg, the RADAR and gun upgrades).

I'd appreciate any enlightenment here...

JD

[SOFBear]

My gosh, I bought SH4 right when it came out--paid full price. But saw how many bugs there were I laid off installing it. I've tried playing it several times and have scratched my head over why things that were'nt broken in SH3 needed fixing now. I chalked it to "different boat, different controls" syndrome. I've lurked here for a long time. Finally, this mod came along that really seemed to spark my interest. I downloaded it to my desktop. The file didn't associate with anything I could install it with. No zip or rar file would open it. No big deal I thought, I'll just check this friendly forum! Gosh what a surprise.

This seems like such a neat mod. I am sorry that the fine fellow getting it done got worn out by the "yada yada" that always seems to fall on our good mod folks. I hope he does not give up.

So I could enjoy his work, could anybody tell me how to open the file? What utilty do I use. I've tried the usual suspects.

Thank you so much for your help.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by SOFBear

My gosh, I bought SH4 right when it came out--paid full price. But saw how many bugs there were I laid off installing it. I've tried playing it several times and have scratched my head over why things that were'nt broken in SH3 needed fixing now. I chalked it to "different boat, different controls" syndrome. I've lurked here for a long time. Finally, this mod came along that really seemed to spark my interest. I downloaded it to my desktop. The file didn't associate with anything I could install it with. No zip or rar file would open it. No big deal I thought, I'll just check this friendly forum! Gosh what a surprise.

This seems like such a neat mod. I am sorry that the fine fellow getting it done got worn out by the "yada yada" that always seems to fall on our good mod folks. I hope he does not give up.

So I could enjoy his work, could anybody tell me how to open the file? What utilty do I use. I've tried the usual suspects.

Thank you so much for your help.

If the file in question ends in 7z then it belongs to a free program that i love - 7zip, which handles 7z, zip, rar and others.

download and install from here
http://www.7-zip.org/

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by jdkbph

Hopefully, it's still OK to post questions in this thread?

I applied the v1.1 TM mod while in port between patrols, hoping to get the war time conning tower for my Gato class boat. Unfortunately, when I set sail on my next patrol I still had the big square port-holey thing up there.

Did I misapply the mod?

Or perhaps the problem is that I have a game in progress and the updated conning tower cannot now be applied?

Or maybe there's some specific date when the mod becomes active (it's Dec 42 at the moment)?

I don't see it listed as an "upgrade" I can apply while in port either (eg, the RADAR and gun upgrades).

I'd appreciate any enlightenment here...

JD

Jun 42 the mid war tower is up for grabs, dec 1 42, late and elite towers are also (all 3) available. I have never really looked into this part of the game, but I was under the impression that the conning tower was issued when you got the boat but never upgraded. I am not aware of a point where you can choose, at least directly.

I am not sure how the game would settle between the three eligible choices if you were issued a new gato in 43 either... try a new career in those times

Also try taking yor current boat out and returning in disgrace, maybe you get one next patrol. Or play it out and see.

Maybe someone else has more info. I have never payed attention to my towers, just happy if they are watertight

[Gatlin01]

So which camp is doing all the barking? GWX I presume?

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Gatlin01

So which camp is doing all the barking? GWX I presume?

Why stir up crap needlessly ?

Give it a rest please. Please don't even answer me.

Thank you in advance.

[Laffertytig]

have to say ive just went through that whole thread and i seen nothing directed at ducimus so why he's taken the hump and left i dont know. even if there were comments directed at him who care's, he has a good fan base for his mod right here.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You know a thought just hit me.... God help the guy who genuinly thinks up something on his own, posts it, and then someone else try and "virtually" sue him over "copyright" infringements.
A few years ago, I can't count the number of times i genuinly thought up something on my own, posted about it, only to find out someone figured it out a few weeks prior. New guys are going to run into that ALOT. Coming down with an moralistic hammer is a great way to stiffle budding creativity or discourage participation.

the only clue to why he's left could be his words above. either he's the guy he talks about thats thought up something in which case he has no reason t be upset and leave, who cares what anybody else says, it for the community.

or he's stolen some work from GWX which is why they are tryin to set up these "guidelines" and might also explain why he has left so abruply

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by Laffertytig

have to say ive just went through that whole thread and i seen nothing directed at ducimus so why he's taken the hump and left i dont know. even if there were comments directed at him who care's, he has a good fan base for his mod right here.

the only clue to why he's left could be his words above. either he's the guy he talks about thats thought up something in which case he has no reason t be upset and leave, who cares what anybody else says, it for the community.

or he's stolen some work from GWX which is why they are tryin to set up these "guidelines" and might also explain why he has left so abruply

For the record, he did no such thing. Your speculation here, and especially your unfounded conclusion, is grossly inappropriate and serves no purpose.

Some people know what is going on. If you do not, it does not involve you. Think of it as a family spat between Uncle Fred and Aunt Mavis, and stay out of it.

Thank you.

[DURUK]

Originally Posted by U-Bones

For the record, he did no such thing. Your speculation here, and especially your unfounded conclusion, is grossly inappropriate and serves no purpose.

Some people know what is going on. If you do not, it does not involve you. Think of it as a family spat between Uncle Fred and Aunt Mavis, and stay out of it.

Thank you.

I'm not eager to come upon any unfounded conclusions and i certainly do not think that ducimus might have "stolen" (if that'd be the right word) anything from anyone..

but if some people here keep the knowladge for themselves (or maybe just pretend to have the knowledge) eventually such conclusions will they face..

yes, i might be quite new in subsim and may not be able to comprehend all these politics going on but i know that i liked the mods of this guy and consequently also liked himself.. and like all the other bunch of people here using his mods i'm also sorry to hear that he's leaving and i feel it as my right to know clearly the matter to have an objective view.

And NO! I'll not stay out of it because it involves me on the basis i've told above.. and if some people knows what is going on then i ask to be informed
(isnt the aim of this forum to share information afterall)

[Laffertytig]

i never said he stole anyones work i said it was one of two possible reasons and the fact that he's just upped tools and left is very strange. communication is the key here as it always should be, maybe if he took a few seconds to post the reasons why he left then people wouldnt speculate!

and whats with all the secrecy BS anyway. its a public mod on a public forum which is full of people who have enjoyed his work. and yet the mod just ends a week or so after ducimus explaining his grand plans. weird

[Beery]

I don't know what's going on. Ducimus, the community needs your mod. If this has anything to do with the GWX crowd don't let any of them get you down. They have a scorched earth policy when it comes to modding and they're experts at trolling and needling posts. We've had our disagreements but I recognise that your mod provides a service that mine doesn't, so our mods work together to give the community choices. If GWX takes over here the choice will be gone and SH4 will become a one-party-state just as happened with SH3.

[U-Bones]

Originally Posted by DURUK

I'm not eager to come upon any unfounded conclusions and i certainly do not think that ducimus might have "stolen" (if that'd be the right word) anything from anyone..

but if some people here keep the knowladge for themselves (or maybe just pretend to have the knowledge) eventually such conclusions will they face..

yes, i might be quite new in subsim and may not be able to comprehend all these politics going on but i know that i liked the mods of this guy and consequently also liked himself.. and like all the other bunch of people here using his mods i'm also sorry to hear that he's leaving and i feel it as my right to know clearly the matter to have an objective view.

And NO! I'll not stay out of it because it involves me on the basis i've told above.. and if some people knows what is going on then i ask to be informed (isnt the aim of this forum to share information afterall)

Then you simply contribute to the chaos with your selfish desire to be "informed" or "objective". Like you can fix it or be indignant or some other noble thing... please.

If he wanted to disclose his reasons further, that would have been his choice. Given that he did not, move on.

I am asking once more that this festering sore be left alone and allowed to scab over. Those of us who have been here a while are tired of it.

And for the record, I do not know the full story, nor do I want to. Also for the record, I like Ducimus and hate to see him leave. Also for the record, I like some of the people he has issues with. Also for the record, more than one modder has left and come back after some rest.

There is enough drama without piling on more. Let's see how it plays out without poisoning the well any further shall we ?

BTW, he released Trigger Maru 1.2 over at the other place.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/2311092165