UK Politics Thread part II

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Grievances that lie behind these riots

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...lie-riots.html

Rioting won't solve what's happened over the last 30 years but it does stick 2 fingers up to the Westminster Muppets, will it make a difference?, No it won't, those MPs are immune to criticism or blame, and until they take the blame for their disastrous Migration policy nothing will get done to fix it.

What makes me really irate atm is the fact she's taken a few hundred quid off the pensioners yet as an MP continues to receive almost 4K in heating expenses.

[Rockstar]

I chuckled a bit when I heard Farage suggest raising prison sentences for anyone carrying a knife. Then I found out why, apparently a few years ago London murder rate was higher than the gun toting city New York City.

You people have a serious problem.

[Moonlight]

^Yep, an Immigrant one.

Once upon a time an MP called Reeves saw a pensioner struggling to carry two big shopping bags of essential shopping, she said "you shouldn't be struggling with heavy bags like that at your age", so she halved her pension so she could only afford one bag of shopping.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

^Yep, an Immigrant one.

Once upon a time an MP called Reeves saw a pensioner struggling to carry two big shopping bags of essential shopping, she said "you shouldn't be struggling with heavy bags like that at your age", so she halved her pension so she could only afford one bag of shopping.

On FB almost a week ago.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Yuri Andropov

dezinformatsiya [disinformation] is like cocaine. You take it once or twice, you’re OK, but if you take it all the time, you become an addict. You become a changed man.

This week fascist, far-right, conspiracy and extremist ideologies collided and mobilised people on to the streets with the help of Russia. In our instant information environment, informed by algorithms that send the most shocking, outrageous or emotional comments viral, social media is designed to do the exact opposite of bringing unity: it’s a polarisation engine.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

On FB almost a week ago.

I don't have FB or that Twitter thing either, that's why I have my sanity and you Twitterati Face Book people are soon going to be braindead morons.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

This week fascist, far-right, conspiracy and extremist ideologies collided and mobilised people on to the streets with the help of Russia. In our instant information environment, informed by algorithms that send the most shocking, outrageous or emotional comments viral, social media is designed to do the exact opposite of bringing unity: it’s a polarisation engine.

From my understanding the Fascist conception of the State is all embracing, outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian.

So then wouldn't it stand to reason the people
protesting against their government’s policies be considered anti-fascist?

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

From my understanding the Fascist conception of the State is all embracing, outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian.

So then wouldn't it stand to reason the people
protesting against their government’s policy closer to being anti-fascist than anything else?

By the fascist, I mean the British fascist of today, not the State. I know when the State is seriously threatened, fascism is always the default option, not only for the ruling elites but for the liberal class, but that is rather a Leninist opinion .

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

By the fascist, I mean the British fascist of today, not the State. I know when the State is seriously threatened, fascism is always the default option, not only for the ruling elites but for the liberal class, but that is rather a Leninist opinion .

You just can’t go making things up like that. Fascism is the state. I know this because I read Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile’s book the Doctrine of Fascism.

But don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to say the British government is fascist because it’s not, YET. hehe. And neither are the people protesting against government policies. Because unlike in the fascist state people in a free state have a right to protest.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State. Which sounds exactly what you are proposing people do.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

You just can’t go making things up like that. Fascism is the state. I know this because I read Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile’s book the Doctrine of Fascism.

But don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to say the British government is fascist because it’s not, YET. hehe. And neither are the people protesting against government policies. Because unlike in the fascist state people in a free state have a right to protest.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State. Which sounds exactly what you are proposing people do.

I do not make this up, and I am talking of the range of far-right factions and individuals, including neo-Nazis, violent soccer fans and anti-Muslim campaigners, promoting and taken part in the unrest, which has also been stoked by online influencers. David Miles, a prominent member of Patriotic Alternative, a fascist group, shared photographs of himself in Southport other far-right agitators spread information about the protest on social media, including British Movement, a neo-Nazi group. Supporters of the English Defence League has been involved. The riots have also attracted people linked to soccer violence, or hooliganism, which has long overlapped with nationalist movements in Britain.

[mapuc]

The far right is accusing the Far left for destroying the country-This goes in every European country I know of.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The far right is accusing the Far left for destroying the country-This goes in every European country I know of.

Markus

Yeah know their rhetoric and all their solutions are unconstitutional so be aware.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Yeah know their rhetoric and all their solutions are unconstitutional so be aware.

I despise their violent riots. Peaceful demonstrations are the only solution, not violence

Markus

[Dargo]

According to British media, at least 35 protests are planned this weekend, mostly organised by radical right-wing activists. In cities including Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham, Liverpool, Belfast and London took to the streets and clashed with police and counter-demonstrators there. In Liverpool, several officers were injured, and in Hull, at least three officers were injured when protesters smashed the windows of a hotel housing asylum seekers. Police present were also injured in Leeds and Stoke-on-Trent. In Blackpool, someone drove a motorbike into a crowd and in Nottingham, bottles and other objects flew through the air during an encounter with counter-demonstrators. In Manchester, a large brawl broke out, which was put down by officers with truncheons.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The far right is accusing the Far left for destroying the country-This goes in every European country I know of.

Markus

Far this or far that is not an argument.

The argument is three little girls were stabbed to death and 7 others injured by a psycho immigrant while others immigrants have recently been rioting, burning police cars and challenging authority. Now some Brits are ticked off and blame the governments immigration policies.

I’m sure there’s more to it but anything is better than arguing over one’s place on a political spectrum, to me that’s pointless. Especially when people don’t have a clue what they mean so they use them like vulgar swear words.

Fact is government pushing huge unwanted negative change on reluctant populations will inevitably explode. This didn’t start yesterday either trouble has been brewing for awhile. And its brewing in more places than just the U.K. too.