The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 100

tommyk · 02-21-10, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I don't know if it's only me at my end Brag but I can't get the link to work

I guess it is this one on PC Gamer Blog

magic452 · 02-21-10, 04:27 PM

I think it's the link as I can't get it either.

Magic

Edit. never mind the other one works.

Denson · 02-21-10, 04:47 PM

There's a lot of argument around pirates....
SH3 and SH4 have been on the internet cracked avaible to DL, indeed.

BUT, Sub Sim is a niche market. Ppl who play it will buy cause they're fans.

This DRM is not necessary

As a example Egosoft's X3Terran Conflict (privatter style space sim).
A long story short:
X3 reunion was the predecessor, the engine uses scripts. The COMMUNITY was able to implement many mods and new script to enhance tha game like X-tended mod ( GWX for sh3).
The same modders participated to create X3TC.
The last game needed the CD to be played with Securom. They removed it in a patch because the community that bought the game asked the dev.

Thats how you avoid piracy, buy customers heart, LISTEN them and interact with them. This way the next game is not a faillure because there are peoples ideas implemented, that will BUY the game.

For the last years i saw SH series and the subsim community having this kind of bound. Modders are very active, some people did tremendous work to find informations, schemes to allow modders make the game more accurate etc. That's how u make a better game.

This DRM for me is more a punishment for the community. The real fans IMO would be the major part of SH5 sales.

my 2 cents

Jimbuna · 02-21-10, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyk

I guess it is this one on PC Gamer Blog

Danke

martes86 · 02-21-10, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace11

Console games are not 100% bug free - well spotted, have a prize... But you did miss that I said "relatively unbugged". To explain that statement for you, so you understand... it means there are bugs, just less when compared to PC games. As anyone who played SH3 and SH4 on release will know, these games were riddled with bugs that ruined the atmosphere. SH4 was worse though. It wasn't finished on release.

Remember the flying subs and stuff like that... It was horrific. Many modders fixed these things, patches helped, but often modders fixed them before the dev team. Half the modding community emerged because they wanted to fix the games mistakes, not changed a few textures. It took nearly a year of fixes till I was happy with SH4.

No, I didn't miss it, but the way you put it, seems like if it was total awesomeness with just 2 or 3 bugs. Still, you can't compare development of one plataform to another... just because the complexity of the stuff being developed is totally different.

SH4 sure was bugged, totally unfinished, no one says otherwise... SH3, had its quirks, but I wouldn't go as far to say "atmosphere ruining".

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Originally Posted by Jace11

SH5 will be bug ridden on release also. Sorry, but it will. Did you listen to the preview vids. Voices swapping between German and American accents.. God knows what else will be in there.

Sure! Now that you say it, I can be totally certain of it! Wrong accents of the voices in a preview version video absolutely mean the game will be full of bugs and unplayable

At least use stronger arguments, please.

Cheers

Binary101 · 02-21-10, 08:27 PM

It's funny the way Ubisoft thinks they can deal with this problem by pissing off their user base probably turning people to looking for an alternate pirated version, and almost daring all the crackers out there to crack their games now.

Also this time you can only play in a Type VII sub, so when the a new sub type comes out guess what you'll have to do.... pay more money. What about mods now would the servers still allow modded games to played?

jwilliams · 02-21-10, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Binary101

What about mods now would the servers still allow modded games to played?

Im guessing the OSP doesnt check your game for mods etc. it only checks that the version your playing is the one tied to your account. i see no reason why mods wouldnt work in single player games.

Binary101 · 02-22-10, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jwilliams

Im guessing the OSP doesnt check your game for mods etc. it only checks that the version your playing is the one tied to your account. i see no reason why mods wouldnt work in single player games.

That's not much reassurance,

look at Modern Warfare 2 and the way they locked that game down no dedicated servers and no Mods. Yea simpler and easier for players my ass, you have to wait up to 5 mins to find a server.... Hopefully Ubisoft don't go down that road.

Brag · 02-22-10, 07:16 AM

There is only one way to stop sinister schemes by Ubi and other publishers. Speak with our wallets. Simply don't allow these people to control your life--When they realize they are losing money, they may develop some respect for their customers.

Steeltrap · 02-22-10, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag

There is only one way to stop sinister schemes by Ubi and other publishers. Speak with our wallets. Simply don't allow these people to control your life--When they realize they are losing money, they may develop some respect for their customers.

Well, "control your life" is a little hyperbolic, but I agree with the general sentiment.

Reece · 02-22-10, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag

When they realize they are losing money, they may develop some respect for their customers.

I would doubt that, the only thing they are concerned with is money!!

Our only hope is for poor sales forcing them to remove the DRM!!

If the game is cracked in a short period I will have a good laugh!!

02-22-10, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

If the game is cracked in a short period I will have a good laugh!!

I am SURE I will have that laugh that you've been talking about in the end of march or around, if not even earlier ...

TDK1044 · 02-22-10, 08:03 AM

I really like this post.

http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/46855/350422.aspx

It says it all. I particularly like the opening....'Ubisoft is one of the largest video game publishing companies in the world, but when it comes to DRM (Digital Rights Management), the corporate executives at the helm have the collective intelligence of a ham sandwich'.

Brilliant.

02-22-10, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

I really like this post.

http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/46855/350422.aspx

It says it all. I particularly like the opening....'Ubisoft is one of the largest video game publishing companies in the world, but when it comes to DRM (Digital Rights Management), the corporate executives at the helm have the collective intelligence of a ham sandwich'.

Brilliant.

Sounds like my last three of four bosses

fireship4 · 02-22-10, 08:21 AM

It says in this article that with this system "the game doesn't save before it throws you out." (!)

Does this mean when it "pauses" as you loose your connection, you don't have the option to save between then and exiting the game? Or that you do, but when it finally exits there is no automatic save?

I guess we will have to wait and find out (from someone else!).

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magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I think it's the link as I can't get it either. Magic Edit. never mind the other one works. __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

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Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	There is only one way to stop sinister schemes by Ubi and other publishers. Speak with our wallets. Simply don't allow these people to control your life--When they realize they are losing money, they may develop some respect for their customers. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

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TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Broken By Design: Ubisoft's New DRM Scheme, Their Worst Misstep Yet I really like this post. http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/46855/350422.aspx It says it all. I particularly like the opening....'Ubisoft is one of the largest video game publishing companies in the world, but when it comes to DRM (Digital Rights Management), the corporate executives at the helm have the collective intelligence of a ham sandwich'. Brilliant.

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fireship4 Ensign Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 221 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	It says in this article that with this system "the game doesn't save before it throws you out." (!) Does this mean when it "pauses" as you loose your connection, you don't have the option to save between then and exiting the game? Or that you do, but when it finally exits there is no automatic save? I guess we will have to wait and find out (from someone else!). __________________ Rest in peace Dave

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02-21-10, 04:47 PM	#1488
Denson Seaman Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 39 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	There's a lot of argument around pirates.... SH3 and SH4 have been on the internet cracked avaible to DL, indeed. BUT, Sub Sim is a niche market. Ppl who play it will buy cause they're fans. This DRM is not necessary As a example Egosoft's X3Terran Conflict (privatter style space sim). A long story short: X3 reunion was the predecessor, the engine uses scripts. The COMMUNITY was able to implement many mods and new script to enhance tha game like X-tended mod ( GWX for sh3). The same modders participated to create X3TC. The last game needed the CD to be played with Securom. They removed it in a patch because the community that bought the game asked the dev. Thats how you avoid piracy, buy customers heart, LISTEN them and interact with them. This way the next game is not a faillure because there are peoples ideas implemented, that will BUY the game. For the last years i saw SH series and the subsim community having this kind of bound. Modders are very active, some people did tremendous work to find informations, schemes to allow modders make the game more accurate etc. That's how u make a better game. This DRM for me is more a punishment for the community. The real fans IMO would be the major part of SH5 sales. my 2 cents

02-21-10, 08:27 PM	#1491
Binary101 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	It's funny the way Ubisoft thinks they can deal with this problem by pissing off their user base probably turning people to looking for an alternate pirated version, and almost daring all the crackers out there to crack their games now. Also this time you can only play in a Type VII sub, so when the a new sub type comes out guess what you'll have to do.... pay more money. What about mods now would the servers still allow modded games to played?