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10-25-19, 11:21 AM | #136 | |
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The Germans - of all things the Germans! - now talk about an international UN-sanctioned protection force in that area. The area where there are Turkish and Russian patrols already claiming ground. I can only shake my head about such naivety. Not to mention that the German army should have other priorities, considering the pitiful state it is in. Overstretched in too many out of area missions aleady now, low in personnel , and so many itnernal issues and deficits. Rumour has it that the German Pentagon already has plans for 2400 troops. While the whole mission was claulated to need around 40 thousand. Bah!!! The Germans... Well, it has more to do with internal German politics and the race for the next chancellory, and after a clueless blonde girlie we now have an even more clueless brunette wannabe-girlie as defence ministress. Well. Weiberwirtschaft.
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10-25-19, 01:16 PM | #137 | ||
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Gunnar Heinsohn about why Turkey and Syria are fighting.
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Most important points - completely ignored in the usual debates about Syria. Gunnar Heinsohn taught war-related demography at the NATO Defense College (NDC) in Rome from 2011 to 2019. In Stavanger in 2018 he gave the Perspectives on the 15th anniversary of the Joint Warfare Center (JWC) of NATO. Further info on the author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Heinsohn The "war index" mentioned in the essay, Heinsohn described in this essay from 2017 like this: Quote:
The war index for the US two years ago was just 0.96. That for Germany even weaker at 0.65. It means that 1000 males age 55-59 are followed by just 960 (650) young males age 15-19. In 2017, Syria'S war index was 4.02 (probably has changed dramaticlaly), and Turkey's 2.00
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10-25-19, 02:55 PM | #138 | |
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Skybird I do appreciate your point of view, even this. But nobody in the U.S. invited anyone for cruise on our boat. I think we invited ourselves to oust Assad under the pretext of defeating ISIS. We may not have acheived that goal of regime change but we certainly left Syria and Assad in an extremely unstable state. Supposedly we coordinated with the YPG faction in order to defeat ISIS. Seems to me we both used each other in order to get what we both wanted in regards to ISIS only. Oh Im sure we may have even tried to persuade the YPG to come to our side and that of the Kurds of Northern Iraq. But that was probably asking to much of them. Especially since those socalled guests have historically aligned themselves with Assads Syrian Ba'athist regime. Can you imagine what the comments would be like here if we stayed and fought side by side with the YPG (who actuallt support Assad) against Turkey and Russia?
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10-25-19, 03:33 PM | #139 | |
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Which was ecactly what Obama had had in mind before, b.t.w. . And i was at least worth a try, what happens now is ridiculous.
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10-25-19, 03:38 PM | #140 |
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The Russians would have thoguht twice and three times before going to war with yoiu. And Turkey - they are in very urgent need to get a serious bump as wake-up call from their Western "partners". Erdoghan bullied Trump out of the game, that simple it is. The american troops shoudl ahve stayed were they were- and yes, if the Turks would have struick them, they shoud have fired back at themn, and not just weanring shots, beleoive me. Force is the most common means of communicaiton in that bvregion, and that is especially true when you "talk" to baddies like Erdoghan. You know I see them not as allies. While you and me talk, they mull buying even more weaponry from Russia. Both you ASmericnas and the Europeans have dangeorus iullusions about the state of things regarding Turkey. I am saying this a decade. Turkey is not our friend anymore. This is not the Turkey that once signe dintio NATO, LONG time ago. Its a completely different, a totally different country. There are two countreies amognst the places wher eU have been that I learned to know better than the others I cme though, the one is Iranl the other is Turkey. Anmd that was in the 90s and Erdoghan still was rising and had not yet fully arrioved - and already then it was clear to me where turkey would head. The Eurpeans act as if Erdoghan'S Turkey and how it does and behaves, were a surprise. Not, it has not been a surprise at all. Not since 20 years. In principle: nothing in what Erdoghan has done in these 20 years, has surprised me. And the country went pretty much exactly that way that I had more or less vaguely imagined back then, when I was there. My strong hostility to Turkey comes not from nowhere.
You Westerners, both Americans and Europeans - you must stop to feed your illusions about Turkey. You are in absolutely urgent need to do so. Turkey is lost for you. Its gone. It was gone since Erdoghan was allowed back into politics because the Europeans told the Turkey of back then it should disrespect its own laws after Erdoghan left prison and should allow him to become politically active again. Back then it was beleived that Turkey would be Kemliat and secular enoigh to not be brought down by Erdoghans relgious conservatism. And today? Kemlaism gone, secular base order gone, racist nationalism blossoming, aggressive expansiknistic dreams and open talking about a retaking of previously Ottoman conquests that got lost in the past. America: several times being embarrassed by stubborn Turkish provokations. Europe: endlessly appeasing it and papmering it financially. What erdoghan doe sion the past years and the present, is not just provokation anymore - it is dangerous and a challenge to the West. All you people thinking you can appease Turkey and keep it in line with the West - you all are wrong. The EU lost it. NATO lost it. And they are orienting towards Russia, very openly. In principle, the whole Western ME policy paradigms are in ruins. One only still tries to ignore it, but its true. Forget Turkey. Its gone. Gone, gone,gone. Learn it. Live with it. Adapt to the new fact which by now already is at least one decade old!
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10-25-19, 08:13 PM | #141 | |
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IMO Obama's idea of regime change was to use the western supported 'free syrian army. It basically consisted of a loose mish mash of armed islamic militant political factions. It was bound too fail. and it did. From the time Obama said "Assad has got to go" he had many years to act with a focused western and well equiped military action but it was only threats and Putin saw it for what was and called his bluff. Afterwhich the free syrian army got their arses kicked by Syrian government and Russian forces. THAT IMO was betrayal as many a Free Syrian fighters were left holding the bag. Though regime change didnt workout we destablized the state instead, whats the difference? We, the U.S., British and French forces left a train wreck for Syria and Russia. Of which neither has the economy to rebuild and takes little effort on our part to keep it that way. please note I really dont want make this about Trump Obama. Just trying to make sense of it all.
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10-26-19, 06:45 AM | #142 |
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Syrians would have to rebuild themselves.
Maybe we would find some arab or Chinese money to do it.
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10-26-19, 08:06 AM | #143 |
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Why not Germany? Is German money suddenly not good enough any more?
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10-26-19, 08:35 AM | #144 |
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If Germans want it - why not.
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10-26-19, 08:56 AM | #145 |
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"Just get the money up front" - xoxo NATO.
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10-26-19, 09:48 AM | #146 |
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And are you really sure you do not mind? Germany dies for paying out others!
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10-26-19, 10:36 AM | #147 |
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I mean it is no like this would compromise our position in Syria, it would just place economic pressure on Germany.
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10-26-19, 08:35 PM | #148 |
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The United States of America, Britain, France and Russia. Four out of the five of worlds largest arms dealers directly involved in Syria. Business is booming! C'mon Germany join us there is money to be made. Arms dealers shall inherit the earth because everyone is too busy killing themselves.
(China #5)
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