Will the United States ever put their soldiers on the ground anywhere in the future - Page 2

Gorpet · 05-18-22, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Only stupids would fight in the way their enemy wants them to.

The lessons of afghanistan and iraq have been learned. No nation building again any time soon. No appetite for it in the american and european public.

American TANKS ARe better than Russian tanks. And that is to be said about a lot of equipment. Tactics. Logistics. Leadership of troops. Thats the lesson of Ukraine- that the Russians have artillery, which was known, but else they are not half as good as they thought of themselves. Not even that.

The Ukraine's can thank what ever god they believe in for Joe Biden and the Democrat Party of the United States. Cause the American people could give a rat's ass about a problem what should be handled amongst Europeans. This war is not in the interest or the security of the United States and we have not a damn bit of business being there at all. It was a problem for the EU and your countries to work out. You seemed to be getting along until a business man in our country stood up and said wait a minute. And from that day forth the world has went into chaos

And by the way no member on here whose country that belongs to NATO has posted how many Dollars their country is putting into the fight.I don't want to know about helmets, bandages uniforms and bullets. I want to know how much viable money your country and your leaders are putting into this war on your behalf.Hell The Democrat's just thru another 40 billion in. And mothers in this country can't find similac , It is being passed thru word of mouth and on media , We are tribal find a tit in your neighborhood .The war must go on.

Skybird · 05-19-22, 04:38 AM

I and many others feel gifted and thankful that Americans back in the fourties did not tick like you.

MaDef · 05-19-22, 08:03 AM

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I and many others feel gifted and thankful that Americans back in the forties did not tick like you.

Actually they did, it was the Japanese attack on Dec 7th, 1941 that allowed Roosevelt to officially enter the war in Europe without a lot of blowback from the citizens.

August · 05-19-22, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Actually they did, it was the Japanese attack on Dec 7th, 1941 that allowed Roosevelt to officially enter the war in Europe without a lot of blowback from the citizens.

That and Germanys declaration of war against us (for declaring war on their ally Japan) just days later on the 11th of December.

Skybird · 05-19-22, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Actually they did, it was the Japanese attack on Dec 7th, 1941 that allowed Roosevelt to officially enter the war in Europe without a lot of blowback from the citizens.

Weren't your ancestors engaged in lend and lease already before?

Early 1941, I seem to recall. And that is what the US action over Ukraine today compares to. Not declaring war, but lend and lease. You even have revoked or mull to revoke the law from back then. I forgot the details but you certainly know what I mean, its in the news since a few weeks.

Buddahaid · 05-19-22, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

The Ukraine's can thank what ever god they believe in for Joe Biden and the Democrat Party of the United States. Cause the American people could give a rat's ass about a problem what should be handled amongst Europeans. This war is not in the interest or the security of the United States and we have not a damn bit of business being there at all. It was a problem for the EU and your countries to work out. You seemed to be getting along until a business man in our country stood up and said wait a minute. And from that day forth the world has went into chaos

And by the way no member on here whose country that belongs to NATO has posted how many Dollars their country is putting into the fight.I don't want to know about helmets, bandages uniforms and bullets. I want to know how much viable money your country and your leaders are putting into this war on your behalf.Hell The Democrat's just thru another 40 billion in. And mothers in this country can't find similac , It is being passed thru word of mouth and on media , We are tribal find a tit in your neighborhood .The war must go on.

As if otherwise there would have no impact in the US under Trump's brand of swamp inbreeding.

August · 05-19-22, 10:18 AM

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As if otherwise there would have no impact in the US under Trump's brand of swamp inbreeding.

"Swamp inbreeding" That's an interesting term to apply to (attempted) swamp buster Trump. Care to expound on this idea?

Arlo · 05-19-22, 10:28 AM

There was no attempt.

MaDef · 05-19-22, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Weren't your ancestors engaged in lend and lease already before?

Early 1941, I seem to recall. And that is what the US action over Ukraine today compares to. Not declaring war, but lend and lease. You even have revoked or mull to revoke the law from back then. I forgot the details but you certainly know what I mean, its in the news since a few weeks.

They were, but only for the 8-9 month period prior to declaring war. However in reality it was Roosevelt's end run around the neutrality acts of the late 30's to further advance his foreign policy goals. Fast forward to today, we have another European conflict and a U.S President wanting to remain relevant on the world stage. Face it (NATO) Europe/U.S. is a day late & a dollar short in this "crisis". The time to stop Putin in his tracks with minimum fallout was in Feb 2014.

Jimbuna · 05-19-22, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

They were, but only for the 8-9 month period prior to declaring war. However in reality it was Roosevelt's end run around the neutrality acts of the late 30's to further advance his foreign policy goals. Fast forward to today, we have another European conflict and a U.S President wanting to remain relevant on the world stage. Face it (NATO) Europe/U.S. is a day late & a dollar short in this "crisis". The time to stop Putin in his tracks with minimum fallout was in Feb 2014.

Yep, a golden opportunity certainly went begging there

Skybird · 05-19-22, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

The time to stop Putin in his tracks with minimum fallout was in Feb 2014.

No, February 2008. If not even 1996ff.

But back then we still fell for Putin's lies. Me too, I shamefully admit. Mea culpa. At least I am teachable.

MaDef · 05-19-22, 08:04 PM

The relevant question for Europe is what are you willing to do to stop Putin now? I think Europe going to continue giving token material to Ukraine hoping to bleed Russia enough so that they'll be less of a threat for the next few years without having to actually do anything of substance.

Arlo · 05-19-22, 08:51 PM

Understanding that Russia still has a shirtload of nukes and that nukes don't require training or morale might go a long way in understanding that pushing this too far is possibly a really bad thing.

Buddahaid · 05-19-22, 10:35 PM

Tell that to Putin.

Buddahaid · 05-19-22, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August

"Swamp inbreeding" That's an interesting term to apply to (attempted) swamp buster Trump. Care to expound on this idea?

Damn, I know I should leave this alone. Trump's attempt to drain the swamp was/is nothing more than an effort to rebrand with you know you on top. Sure he's a businessman, so what? The government is not a business where the board can make policy alone so that won't work, and if it does, it's fascism.

The swamp inbreeding quip is poking fun at how he appointed so many relatives.

05-19-22, 04:38 AM	#17
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,716 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I and many others feel gifted and thankful that Americans back in the fourties did not tick like you. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	There was no attempt. __________________ -Arlo

05-19-22, 08:51 PM	#28
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	Understanding that Russia still has a shirtload of nukes and that nukes don't require training or morale might go a long way in understanding that pushing this too far is possibly a really bad thing. __________________ -Arlo

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Tell that to Putin. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

05-19-22, 08:04 PM	#27
MaDef Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,194 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The relevant question for Europe is what are you willing to do to stop Putin now? I think Europe going to continue giving token material to Ukraine hoping to bleed Russia enough so that they'll be less of a threat for the next few years without having to actually do anything of substance.