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06-23-21, 11:45 AM | #13981 | |
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06-23-21, 12:07 PM | #13982 | |
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According to the reporter on board, the ship did deliberately go inside Russian claimed territorial waters:
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Looks to me like a one-off, using the RN to show the flag and point out that the annexation of Crimea is not recognized. I presume this is less insulting than using USN ships. There will be a major NATO-Ukraine naval exercise in the Black Sea next week. Maybe this was a test to see how the Russians will react? I doubt this will be a common occurence. Eventually Russia would have to react and NATO does not want to get into a shooting war with Russia.
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06-23-21, 05:32 PM | #13983 |
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I doubt Russia would want to get into a shooting war with NATO either, it's only some feeble military posturing as usual, a shooting match would serve no purpose to either side.
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06-23-21, 06:19 PM | #13984 |
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Reporter aboard the ship says he heard distant cannon fire, and its also said that aircraft were in the air. Finally its said the destroyer went into waters the West says are Ukrainian and the Russians say are Russian.
However, look at the map. Sevastopol is very nearby. If you seriously want to provoke an accidental engagement, then do it there, right on the doorstep of their biggest naval base in the Black sea, the main strategic reason why they took all the Crimean adventure on them. In no other part of the Crimean coastal waters you may have better chances to get what you asked for. Its like a submarine popping up at the entrance to Pearl Harbour. Demonstrating claimed freedom of passage to illustrate one's own view of an issue, is one thing. Doing it right on the main nervous nexus of the opponent, that is something very different. To some things the other side simply cannot afford not to react to if it wants to be taken serious afterwards. The Russians may not want a major war with NATO, but different to Europe, they are willing to wage war in that region - and different to Europe, their people would support it: its the Crimean. And the RN has not many destroyers, and these are underarmed still (or have they finally gotten all the weapons they once were designed for?), I think, and tasked for escort service to the carriers. Even a just damaged destroyer in their fleet and months in harbour for repair would ruin their plans for their Asian all-in betting adventure voyage. Thats the bad thing if you have modern ships - but only in extremely small quantities: every minor hickup can already ruin your plans and timetables for the year and years after that. No reserves: no degrees of freedom.
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06-24-21, 08:45 AM | #13985 |
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Will be interesting to see what route she takes on the return voyage.
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06-26-21, 10:05 AM | #13986 |
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Will public opinion over Hancock's rule breaking cost the Tories dear in the Batley and Spen by-election.
Tory MPs and activists are feeling buoyant on the campaign trail in the rolling West Yorkshire Pennines, “It’s looking good, I would be surprised if we didn’t win it,” said one of the many Tory MPs who have been on the campaign trail. And then Matt Hancock is frontpage news as he's seen canoodling with his bit of fluff in the office. 18 months of following government rules, and for what, so this pillock along with the rest of his Tory cronies can break them when they see fit. Now I know why Bozo Johnson and Matt Hancock caught Covid last year, apparently they haven't been wearing masks at 10 Downing Street or in the Department of Health and Social Care for over a year, if this is true that's going to cause more outrage. I've just been chatting with the neighbour next door who knows everyone and he says the residents are foaming at the mouth over this latest breach by a government minister. I wonder if the same can be said in Batley and Spen, we'll know next week, if they lose this by-election there will be fingers pointing in Hancock's direction.
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06-26-21, 11:49 AM | #13987 |
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Opposition to the hypocrite is growing apparently.
Matt Hancock is facing calls to quit as health secretary from fellow Tory MPs after he breached social distancing guidance by kissing a colleague. The health secretary apologised after pictures emerged of him with Gina Coladangelo, reportedly taken on 6 May. Conservative MPs Duncan Baker and Sir Christopher Chope have said he should go, while former secretary of state Esther McVey said she would have quit in Mr Hancock's position. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57622868
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06-26-21, 12:28 PM | #13988 | |
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06-26-21, 12:49 PM | #13989 |
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06-26-21, 01:49 PM | #13990 |
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^That's not news it's bleeding propaganda, is "Russian State Media" the holy grail of honest news reporting now?.
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06-26-21, 04:36 PM | #13991 |
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Of course it is, but the videos were even posted on state-critical media in Russia
https://meduza.io/news/2021/06/24/is...v-chernom-more I still wonder what England's destroyer had to do there apart from a well-planned provocation. Diversion from home problems? I would have liked to eavesdrop what has been said to Deborah Bronnert while being summoned to Russia's foreign ministry
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06-27-21, 05:37 AM | #13992 |
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
I stick to it. Issuing provocations while not being readied to substantially maintain robust consequences that can derive from them, is stupid and bigmouthed. Play or dont play. But if you play, play all in. Dont bluff. Hope is not a strategy.
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06-27-21, 07:12 AM | #13993 | |
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06-27-21, 07:26 AM | #13994 |
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Exactly.
My grandfather (on mother's side) obviously was in WW2. He was kind of mentally broken after that experience, and pacifist. But he also had been soldier with plenty of combat experience under his belt (tank commander). He used to say something like: never have a war again. But if you must, then throw anything into it that you can. Don't play with fire if you are not willing and ready and capable to burn down the whole world. If you cannot do that, don't even think about start playing with fire. 100% my view.
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06-27-21, 11:58 AM | #13995 | |
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What? And it is all in there ... edit: might have been done intentionally. Ok it is ukdefencejournal (at some point they may reach german word construction lengths ), but this paints a bit of a different story: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/are-...itish-warship/
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