Russian Politics Thread

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

A bit of news and opinion who Navalny is.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/28/a...sition-figure/
Then the idea that liberty, freedom, democracy in Russia is in jeopardy. Well I just don't see it if sites like OVDInfo is still allowed. This site kinda reminds me of the U.S. based Democracy Now and Amnesty International all wrapped into one.

https://ovdinfo.org/

Russia is a strange country where one of the platforms for the opposition (Echo of Moscow radio station) is owned by Gazprom subsidiery - Gazprom media.


But if you think of it in terms of a pseudo-feudal system it can make sense, a vassal of your vassal is not you vassal, thus people couple of ranks below can be doing harmful things to people couple of ranks above.

This is how some hackers with FSB backing where hacking Medvedev's accounts and making him look bad, despite their handlers being under him in the chain of command so to speak.

Originally Posted by August

Yeah I'm quite aware of using deflection as a tactic for diverting attention from ones own crimes.

However, even if the two incidents were comparable, which they really aren't, that has absolutely nothing to do with your country knowingly destroying a civilian airliner. That stands on it's very own.

FWIW in the Vincennes incident our gunners incorrectly identified and reacted to what they believed was an imminent threat, whereas your pilots knew what they were shooting at and did it anyways because their government was as paranoid as a Democrat member of congress standing next to a Republican with a suspicious bulge on their hip.

Thanks to sticking to the standard US narrative, which is both false in claiming that the pilot knew it was the airliner and in setting one rule set for US and the other for USSR (the rules for thee, not the rules for me aka American exceptionalism).



The Korean airliner shot down happened against a background of a maximum pressure campaign by US, which used civilian airliners as cover both literally (by flying in close proximity to) and figuratively (by adopting the signature of) airliners.
This resulted in the air defence crews, which were being exhausted-out but those practice, making the error.

[Onkel Neal]

Alexei Navalny, leading Putin critic, sentenced to nearly 3 years in jail
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/a...ested-n1256440

As screwed up as Russia's political system is, the US is just as screwed up, maybe worse, just in a whole different way.

[Catfish]

They poison him, he lies in a hospital abroad almost dying, and then they complain he did not report back

^ Absolutely ridiculous. As state of lawlessness, they do not even pretend to use any reasonable or legal procedures

[ikalugin]

Ironically keeping him secure under guard is the appropriate response if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership.


As otherwise a third party may re-attempt. And Navalny becomming a martyr is not in elite's interests right now, just keeping him out of sight and out of mind.

[Catfish]

^ "... if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership..."
who pretends it was not? The senior political leadership?

A third party could have been responsible, sure. Or maybe extraterrestrials?
"Navalny becoming a martyr is not in the elite's interest", this is of course true. How very unfortunate for them

[Dmitry Markov]

My complain in this Navalny story remains the same: when a simple (non-media) person breakes the rules of conditional detention only one time - there's 90% that he goes to jail immediately. Why Navalny was allowed to break those rules so many times all these years and was finaly put to jail only now using a very formal occasion ? He was allowed to provide non-approved meetings, tens times been detained then freed ( while according to Russian laws he should have been put to jail immediately after administrative detainment since it breaks rules of conditional detention most severly)? More to say - after beeing magically freed after these detainments he somehow was allowed to spend his vacations on expensive resorts abroad - being there he missed his scheduled check-ups in FSIN - which is also a severe breakage of rules of conditional detention. So for six years he was allowed to do everything he wanted with Russian laws and only now he is put to jail... To me it's all about that "some animals are more equal than the others" thing. Wonder who is really standing behind this figure in our "hights". As an "opposition" he is very so-so since he
a) doesn't show any programme and only tells that "those guys are wrong and I'm a D'Artagnan" and "hey, schoolchildren - those old men have taken everything that's in fact yours" - no suggestions how to improve economy or social sphere or else. Argument that "He is not allowed to show his programme" - can be rejected since his platform is an internet mainly - he adresses to the youth and they do not watch TV - only youtube where everyone can see his videos in which he never tells what to do to improve life other than blame current powers in all sins and calls for illegal anti-social actions.
b) even within his target audience he cannot gather enough followers to influence authorities to change their decisions - latest "protests" weren't any multiple (I don't know what pictures were translated to Western TV but in reality it was nowhere near close to even 2011/2012 years). Where are your millions, Лёша ?

Just like that :-)

[Catfish]

If he is just a wannabe revoluzzer, why does the FSB try to kill him then.
"Hunting the hunters"

[Skybird]

^ "Wehret den Anfängen." Thats why.