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Old 08-04-2019, 05:15 AM   #121
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I do not agree on the nuclear threat and the Iranian support for international terror being alibis to gag them economically or "steal their oil" or to control the flow of oil to China and Asia. The threat of nuclear wepaons and the threat of proliferation and nuclear arms arace in the region, and the threats of Iran to Israel, and the Iranian terror export - each of them for itself imo are valid reasons to isolate and contain Iran and to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons no matter the costs of this denial.



And I say this since long before Trump came to power already.
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Old 08-04-2019, 06:09 AM   #122
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It will be interesting to see what nationality said tanker is and if it turns out to be British then the chances of a military response may well be raised a notch.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49225916
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Old 08-05-2019, 04:42 AM   #123
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Iran seizes another oil tanker, third as feud with US continues

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Iran seized a vessel it accused of smuggling fuel in the Persian Gulf, the third time the Iranian Revolutionary Guards detained a ship in the waterway in recent weeks as the stalemate between the Islamic Republic and the US continues.

The Iranian forces intercepted the ship Wednesday near Farsi Island, which is used by the Revolutionary Guards as a navy base, state media reported on Sunday.

“The IRGC’s naval forces have seized a foreign oil tanker in the Persian Gulf that was smuggling fuel for some Arab countries,” the paramilitary’s forces commander Ramezan Zirahi said, according to state-run media.

The Iraq ship was carrying about 185,000 gallons of fuel, the report said, but it did not provide additional details or identify the nationality of the crew.

The Iraqi oil ministry said it had ties to the seized ship.
The Bahrain-based US Fifth Fleet said it did not have information to confirm the report.

Iran seized a Panamanian-flagged United Arab Emirates tanker, the MT Riah...
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:25 AM   #124
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Strange one is this Neal, your link (well not exactly yours but that of the New York Post) states
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The Iraqi oil ministry said it had ties to the seized ship.
Whilst the BBC link below states
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Iraq's oil ministry has said it has no connection to the seized vessel and that it is working to gather information about it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49225916

The sooner the vessel is identified we'll see if another country has been pulled into the problem.

It is being suggested the vessel may be Iraqi.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:24 AM   #125
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The US Department of Justice has put in a request to detain supertanker Grace 1, which will be considered by Gibraltar's attorney general.

The vessel, carrying Iranian oil, was seized by Royal Marines on 4 July - triggering a standoff with Tehran.

It was set to be released within hours, after the attorney general indicated he would make no further order for its detention.

But after the US application the matter has been adjourned until 15:00 BST.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49355591
We should learn of the decision later this afternoon but I should imagine diplomats from all sides will be working behind the scene very hard night and day.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:40 AM   #126
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So the supertanker Grace1 was detained due to a (made-up) breach of EU law by England, and now the US demands it to be further detained?

Well i guess we all know what's really going on, don't we?
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:25 AM   #127
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The outcome will be decided by the courts.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:29 AM   #128
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Well i guess we all know what's really going on, don't we?
IE: RULE 1: THE ATLANTIC IS AN ENGLISH SPEAKING LAKE!
 
ALTHOUGH WE WE ARE OFT SEPARATED BY A 'COMMON LANGUAGE'(1776; 1812)

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Old 08-15-2019, 09:31 AM   #129
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The court has ruled that the tanker is to be released.
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The US justice department has issued a warrant to seize a detained Iranian oil tanker, a day after a judge in Gibraltar ordered it to be released.

The Grace 1 supertanker, which is carrying 2.1m barrels of oil, was detained on 4 July on suspicion of illegally transporting oil to Syria.

A last-minute legal attempt by the US to keep the tanker detained was rejected by Gibraltar on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49379144
The question being....who will respond to the court order?
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The question being....who will respond to the court order?
US Navy...?
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US Navy...?
Most likely, I should imagine they'll already have vessels in the area
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:58 AM   #133
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Pure speculation

If the American Navy work as an extended part of the American law and enforcement and sieges this tanker right after it have left Gibraltar

What will happen in USA ? Will the Dem. accuse Trump ?
What will happen in Europe and Middle east. How will the politicians react to this action(if it happens) and not to forget the response from Iran ?

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