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03-16-18, 11:02 PM | #31 |
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New and Improved release!
A new and improved, Rev. A, mod has been released. I have extensively tested it for the save-and-load-CTD bug and (so far at least) I haven't had a CTD. I have only tested that so far using WAC 5.0.
The revised file(s) are located at http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=5340 Thanks to everyone that has provided input, especially LGN1 for pointing out ID errors. |
03-17-18, 11:17 AM | #32 |
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"Hunted"
Briefing = Attack with conventional depth charges required a direct passage of the ship over the target. The old deep-seated bombs were first dropped on the simplest principle: "roll the barrel." Dropped from the stern of the destroyer, they began to somersault in a wake. This "underwater acrobatics" reduced the rate of immersion of the bomb and could take it away. Depending on the speed of the ship, the type of bomb and the depth of immersing the submarine, it took time to submerge deep-sea bombs at a given depth. During this time the submarine could significantly change its course, speed and depth of immersion. Moreover, the thunder of ruptures of deep-seated bombs was temporarily deafened by the receivers, and the water vortices created by them helped the submarine hide. In such conditions, contact could be lost completely. In addition, the U-boat can use its own sonar for detection on the surface of the ship, which hunts for it. Therefore, the game of cat and mouse does not always end in favor of the hunter. Good luck, Herr Kaleun! Last edited by Anvar1061; 03-17-18 at 11:27 AM. |
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03-18-18, 02:00 PM | #34 |
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03-29-18, 09:56 AM | #35 |
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i'm afraid i have some bad news : just tried the new version of your mod with NYGM in campaign and it still crashes after a depth-charge encounter .
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03-29-18, 10:24 AM | #36 |
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03-29-18, 10:33 AM | #37 |
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yes, the latest ofc, the other one crashed my game also some weeks ago .
heres the mod list , it works very well, i never had a single crash in NYGM in more than a year or abusing it ( at least until i installed your mod ) , in my opinion is the most stable supermod out there and the saves load in 30-60 secs . NYGM Tonnage War V2.5 – Stand Alone Version NYGM3_New NYGM3_6F NYGM_2017A IABLShipsforNYGM_New_Thomsen NYGM_HiRes_Submarines_3_6F 3rd Flotilla Mod Harbor Traffic Add-In Minefield JPGs NYGM Tonnage War Minefield Mod Thomsen's Sound Pack V3.2cg RadioMessage - MorseCodeOnly KB's Diesel Sound Mod TMT mod (NYGM version) OFFICER_FACES v1.0 Evan82's Uniforms II Bearded faces Extra_files_for_Hsie_patch_V16B1 Supplement to V16B1 (JSGME) Stiebler4C_Addon_for_V16B1 More wounded & less dead crew v2 - for V16B1 (JSGME) FM30_UpDown_NYGM_ DD_OH_V3.09_20091209162038 FM_NewInterior v2.1D FM_NI_Fix_for_Anvart_FM30_UpDown Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920 x 1080 Final Ahnenerbe WideGui 1920 x 1080 Final - FILES for NYGM v3.6D ahnenerbe widegui F5 toolcard's windroses corrected Clear NavMapTable Color Dials with Dark Compass O2-Gauges v2 SobersSmoke Single Merchant Contact Mod |
03-29-18, 02:48 PM | #38 | |
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03-30-18, 10:16 PM | #39 |
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I have discovered the source of the CTD problem
I have discovered the source of the CTDs when Depth Charge Noise mod is enabled. However, I have no idea how to find the root cause or how to fix it (assuming it is fixable).
Reports of CTDs when loading a saved game that has Depth Charge Noise mod enabled has been extraordinarily vexing. Since the CTD doesn’t happen unless depth charges have previously been deployed and exploded before saving the game, testing variables is time consuming, since it involves first being attacked and depth charged, and then successfully evading the attacking escorts. This can take up an hour, or more, to resolve to a point where the sub can surface away from units in order to make a clean game save. As well, loading missions can take upwards of 6-10 minutes, due to the loading times of some of the supermods. The cycle of tests for this mod have, for the most part, followed this pattern: 1) run a mission without the Depth Charge Noise mod enabled, avoid attacks, save then reload; 2) run a mission with the Depth Charge Noise mod enabled, avoid attacks, save then reload; 3) run a mission with the Depth Charge Noise mod enabled, be attacked then evade and escape, save then reload; 4) run a mission with the Depth Charge Noise mod enabled, be attacked then evade and escape, save then reload. This testing cycle is repeated for each of the following: Stock Silent Hunter III, GWX Gold, GWX Gold heavily modded, NYGM (unmodded), WAC 5.0, and WAC 5.0 modded. In order to expedite testing, a final mod was enabled, this one consisting of three blank campaign files, so that the test missions would rapidly load. At the time of my releasing Revision A of the Depth Charge Noise mod, I had tested that revision multiple times with all six game versions and experienced no CTDs when loading a saved game, so I was quite surprised when reports of CTDs surfaced. I went back and reran the test missions, and was stunned when loading a newly saved game it CTD. After several hours of digging through files, checking IDs for duplicates, errors in file structure, etc., I realized that, after having run the pre-release tests, I’d disabled the blank campaign files mod. I re-enabled that, then ran another cycle of tests. No CTD. I disabled it, and ran another round of tests. CTD. I then created three different blank campaign files, isolating the _LND, _RND, and _SCR files, then ran cycles of tests against all six game versions, and got the same result each time: The _RND campaign file somehow causes the CTD when loading a saved game if the Depth Charge Noise mod is enabled and depth charges have been deployed and exploded. Guys, I’m at a loss here. I’ve absolutely no idea why the _RND campaign file causes a CTD, especially a CTD on loading a game modified by the Depth Charge Noise mod, and only after a depth charge explodes. It just doesn’t make sense. I’ve no familiarity at all with campaign files. Here’s hoping someone with more experience there than I have can help me figure out just what is going on. |
03-31-18, 09:56 AM | #40 |
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Hi schlechter pfennig,
for a start let me congratulate with you, because I love the concept that this mod is based on, and also the fact that it integrates some "immersion" factors, such as visual and sound FX. As others have already noted, TheDarWraith/RacerBoy had tried in the past something similar, and using a similar approach to your mod (DC explosion-spawned bold effects), though concentrating exclusively on gameplay factors. I don't see anything substantially wrong in that approach, but unfortunately that mod too was known for crashing the game. I am sorry to say that but, at this point, both mods causing CTD's might not be a mere cohincidence. My suggestion to further investigate the problem, in case you want to go through another cycle of tests, is breaking the mod in small pieces: try separating the gameplay, visual, and audio aspects of it, creating three separate mods with just the essential controllers. If only one (or two) of them will still crash the game, you'll have narrowed down the problem. If on the contary no crashes are recorded this time, it is possible that some of the features of the main mod are clashing with each other. If that was the case, I would use one of the three sub-mods recently tested as base for a new set of tests, and I would start adding features from the other two mods to it, one by one. Hopefully, by following this method, you will eventually track down the problem. I say hopefully because there are some topics related with SH-modding, and with computer science in general, that go beyond our human problem-solving abilities |
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03-31-18, 04:30 PM | #42 | |
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04-01-18, 09:41 AM | #43 |
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Hello schlechter pfennig
You are Albrecht Von Hesse creator of Increased_ASW_a. I already use revised version of their mod many years ago. Have your work Depth Charge Noise mod also integrated. It works perfectly together. Thank you for your excellent work.
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04-01-18, 08:18 PM | #44 |
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SUCCESS!!!
I have found the cause of the CTD that occurs when loading a saved game after depth charges have been dropped and exploded . . .
The icebergs in the campaign.RND file. For whatever reason, once I deleted RndGroup 1 through RndGroup 50 (Iceberg_39_01 through Iceberg_43_09) I no longer experience CTD. I have no idea what's up with this, or why it happens, only that it does. CORRECTION: It is the mentioned icebergs for stock, NYGM and WAC, but not for GWX Gold. The file structure for GWX Gold is different, although it is still the icebergs that cause the issue. CORRECTION?UPDATE: After further testing I discovered I'd been incorectly modifying for testing the _RND campaign file. Although that file is what is causing the CTD I have not, as yet, fixed the problem. Last edited by schlechter pfennig; 04-04-18 at 08:20 AM. Reason: correction; added file location |
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