Have to rebuild my computer.

CaptainCruise · 10-25-17, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarracudaUAK

I went to a local computer store when I built an AM3 Athlon II 2.8ghz for a family member, and told them I wanted a 4GB stick of DDR3... 1666hmz.

Store: "You don't need 4GB for games...."

Barracuda

Amazing what these computer "experts" know. Maybe at the time you could get away with less RAM, but one thing you should never cut corners on when building a new rig is memory. Get as much as you can because it will eventually be needed and it will always help a game or application run better and more stable. And even more important....buy QUALITY RAM! Don't buy the half price marked down no name stuff because it never performs as well as the brand name stuff like Corsair, Kingston, G-Skill, etc. A lot of them have to dial back the timings just to keep the RAM running close to stable and not crashing your rig. Or they have to turn up the voltage powering the RAM to help it run stable with tighter RAM timings and the stuff ends up running HOT and cuts its life in half. Personally I usually buy Corsair most of the time. Great compatibility, stability and performance for the price.
I know trying to spend your money wisely and not buy the latest "bleeding edge" component is hard sometimes, but you have to balance that with buying quality and performance, not just low price. Remember....you always get what you pay for!! I had a blast building my own rigs and its a rush when you power that bad boy up for the first time!!

G'luck and have fun.
"CC"

Rockin Robbins · 10-26-17, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

Remember....you always get what you pay for!! I had a blast building my own rigs and its a rush when you power that bad boy up for the first time!!

G'luck and have fun.
"CC"

Well, I won't go along with "you always get what you pay for." I'll say you seldom get a lot more than you pay for and often get a lot less than you paid for. Finding great value is not always easy. But that 's why we build.

And there is no shot of endorphins like popping in the back panel bezel into a computer case, screwing down the motherboard, plugging in new RAM and all your peripheral cards, connecting the disk drives, keyboard, speakers, mouse, other various gizmos and firing up your new desktop computer for the first time.

Buy laptops and buy one every other year. Build a desktop and never buy a new computer again! Plus you have complete control of all components. It's a totally addictive process.

Cyborg322 · 10-26-17, 01:20 PM

Biggest waste of cash Expensive Motherboards - Poor Bang per Buck

Even mid Ageing ( 7 years ) mid range ASUS P7LXVI Handles GTX980ti no problem

Who needs four lanes of Pci GPU slots ? most of the Claims of "PRO" " Deluxe" Etc Etc Meaningless Little real impact on performance

Go Cheap spend on other components

RAM Memory Cheap $/per Performance good

SSD's getting cheaper all the time

Intel CPU's all day long, Processor Speeds only on paper comparison . Run cool , low power, superior architecture.

Gap between NVidea and AMD closing all the time finally AMD viable option difficult choice

Just bought ASRock Motherboard ( Needed the Z170 Chip to unlock i3 ) for budget build. Surprisingly good value other brands just out of price range some useful features ,even looks nice !

ASUS Mobo has slogging along 7 years faultless

Simon

Windows 10
Intel i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz ( OC with Stock Fan )
Nvidia Zotac GTX980ti 6Gb VRAM
ASUS P7LXVLI
16Gb HyperX Memory @ 1600mhz ( Plenty enough for Gaming )
3 x HHD 3.5 TB + 250GB Kingston HyperX SSD

Rockin Robbins · 10-26-17, 06:59 PM

My strategy has always been to go with last year's finest. I'm going to violate that this time and go for AMD Ryzen processor. It's killing the present generation of Intel chips and will even beat the next unless Intel makes huge changes. They're overpriced anyway.

I've been AMD since 2004 and never regretted it. Saved about 50% and got 90% of the performance. I'm always willing to give up a little quality for a honking good price.

But with Ryzen, that's out the window. Now you can have better for less than Intel. Probably won't last long but who cares. I love to support the underdog.

I had problems with my ASUS motherboard, but it wasn't the fault of ASUS. There was a catalytic capacitor scam going on at the time where the company who sold most of the worlds' supply was the victim of industrial espionage. The guy who stole the blueprints took them to another manufacturer, who proceeded to steal the market.

But what the thief and other company didn't know was that the formula for the electrolyte that was stolen lacked the chemical that preserved the formula. All over the world television sets, phones, radio control equipment, computers, microwaves........failed a year after manufacture. My ASUS motherboard and an EVGA graphics card both died from popped electrolytic capacitors. Today I'd fire up my soldering iron and replace the caps. Then I wasn't up to the task.

I think there are a lot of great motherboard manufacturers now. I chose the MSI because it was more Linux compatible, but ASUS, MSI, Asrock, and others are all good right now. And you're right, RAM is the biggest bang for the buck out there.

Personally SSDs don't blow my skirt up because I don't care how fast my computer boots once a week. If they get a lot more reliable and cost a quarter of what they do now I'll probably get interested.

Cyborg322 · 10-26-17, 07:54 PM

RR

Not sure where you get your CPU info from but don't want to get into whats best arguement its personal preference

Benchmarks
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...00X/3647vs3916

Electrolytic Capacitor thing interesting are we talking about the Jap Caps or the lesser quality stuff from China and the rest
There was a big deal about leakage one time too
At least blown Capacitors are easy to spot if you can be bothered to swap them

SSD has a few more benefits than just boot up, helps gaming but its only minimal, had mine a few years only invested a relatively small amount on a 250Gb for that reason, No problems so far . Spindle HDD's do the Job adequately for the rest of storage, SSD's Still expensive I agree !!

Problems with EVGA popped up just after I bought a EVGA PSU GS650w had me a little concerned but its been very good for about 3 years now performance really solid. There was also the Bursting into flames saga with GPU's very embarrassing for them for a really dumb mistake

Keep buying AMD's good man

it helps keeping Intel in check with their Prices for me

Simon

CaptainCruise · 10-26-17, 09:05 PM

Gotta admit I like AMD CPU's as well. One of my fav's from a build long ago was the AthlonXP 2500. Barton core, extremely overclockable.

With GPU's I was a RADEON guy, though now I'll probably buy either. I still have a 9700PRO brand new in the box from ages ago. Also have a old A-BIT mobo brand new in the box based on the nVidia2 chipset. My fav was the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe NVidia 2 chipset. At the time was the best. Another overclockers dream board.

"CC"

BarracudaUAK · 10-30-17, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

Gotta admit I like AMD CPU's as well. One of my fav's from a build long ago was the AthlonXP 2500. Barton core, extremely overclockable.

With GPU's I was a RADEON guy, though now I'll probably buy either. I still have a 9700PRO brand new in the box from ages ago. Also have a old A-BIT mobo brand new in the box based on the nVidia2 chipset. My fav was the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe NVidia 2 chipset. At the time was the best. Another overclockers dream board.

"CC"

It's still in the box I packed it in, but I have a 2500XP Barton core on a Mach-speed mother board, with 1GB DDR RAM (2x512).

I got it second hand from a friend after he got a Socket 764 64bit, after my 1.4ghz Athlon (Thunderbird) got knocked off the desk and cracked the socket "tab" that the heat sink clamp clipped onto.

Still need to grab a small HDD and get it running with WIN98 for some of my really old stuff (No online activation on 98).

I used to buy ATI cards, always cards that had "built by ATI" on the box, and I never had a bad card.
Starting with a K6-2 500mhz (in 99?) with a Rage IIC, then a Rage 128, then a Radeon 8500. Got a 9700XT from that same friend and it was a Saphire built card.
Worked great until my cat "marked" the system.

Replaced it with a Visiontek 2400 Pro. Worked good.
With my dual core about 10 years ago I stayed with Visiontek until I couldn't find them any more. I had 2 X1650, 1 HD 2600XT, 1 HD 4850 (70FPS in a heavy firefight on Crysis with this one), then when I couldn't find Visiontek I got a XFX 6750, followed by a 2nd a few months later.
Visiontek cards were 256bit memory interface, XFX was 128. Took both 6750s to best that 4850.

I got factory overclocked XFX R7 370X, then Gigabyte R9 380....

So far all manufacturers have been really good.

As far as Nvidia, Last one I tried was a FX5200 (?, might have been a step up from that model, got it after XP scrambled the colors on my Radeon 8500), it played the intro movie to the 2005 NFS Most Wanted better than my old 128MB Radeon 8500, but did NOTHING else better. That Saphire 9600XT replaced it.
A friend got a 980Ti from his wife as an anniversary present, he sold it about a year later, and got a 1080Ti. His main complaint so far has been drivers. He upgrades, and nothing runs good, so he has to downgrade, and wait for the next update to try again...
He noted he never had that when running his AMD cards.

Other than that Mach-speed (to replace a SOYO with a failed AGP slot), I've run nothing but ASUS and Gigabyte.
K6-2 500 had a Gigabyte, 1.4 Athlon was on a Gigabyte (with a hardware Sound Blaster 128 sound card!), Athlon 5600 x2 was a Asus M2R32-MVP, still funtional, sitting on the desk next to me, and lastly my FX8350 is a Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3.

Built a few systems for friends with Asrock... Last time I tried MSI, they were about like Shuttle, and PC chips motherboards.

When the Phenom was released there were a few Computer stores/retailers that were giving away the MSI motherboard FREE with the Phenom.

When I checked back with the guy that actually knew what he was doing, most of them had to be replaced.

But if they have improved (heard several reports of this lately), then that gives another option when choosing a motherboard, which is never a bad thing!

One of the main reasons now that I stick with AMD/ATI cards is that they are supported "out-of-the-box" on Linux, as the "official" AMD driver is in the kernel.
So no more "iffy" detection unless running in VESA mode, and I don't have to install or wait on updated drivers when the new Kernels are released.

I'm waiting on the sales that will inevitably start soon, I'm trying to decide on a RX 580, or a Vega 64...

Decisions, decisions!

Barracuda

Rockin Robbins · 10-27-17, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322

RR

Problems with EVGA popped up just after I bought a EVGA PSU GS650w had me a little concerned but its been very good for about 3 years now performance really solid. There was also the Bursting into flames saga with GPU's very embarrassing for them for a really dumb mistake

Keep buying AMD's good man

it helps keeping Intel in check with their Prices for me

Simon

I've had nothing but EVGA graphics cards since 2007. They're BLAZING FAST!!!

Never heard about the ones that really blazed though....

And CPU competition is good. I've been AMD since 2004 and it's been a price/benefits thing. I'll gladly give up 20% in speed for half price. But now it looks like that's no longer necessary, for the time being. Good to see AMD pushing the speed envelope again even though they didn't need to do that. Power users with top hardware are a small part of the market. AMD's Ryzen move makes top level processors cheaper and juices the development cycle all around!

Cyborg322 · 10-27-17, 04:57 PM

RR

Yeah I Agree nothing wrong with EVGA that's why I went for their PSU.

There was tho a Big deal about the 1070 and 1080 overheating VRM's

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 VRM Catches Fire Caught On Camera

An easy fix by adding thermal Pads ( In their wisdom they had decided not to fit any saving of 0.10 Euro )

Cost them $$$$$ to put right and Damaged there Reputation for a While till Subject "Cooled"

over

Went for A Zotac GTX980ti prior to this , Its Cheaper than most of the other options Replaced a Zotac GTX660 I'd had for years. Made in Germany Super reliable

It's outstanding, its also Huuuuggge ( 3 Fans ) had to remove part of my case to get it in ( where the 2.5 trays fit )

1 area that AMD are striving to give you more for your hard earned $ is More VRAM even on low/mid end cards. A Luxury Nvidea makes you pay an Arm and a Leg for. AMD are very Strong in this respect.

Simon

All Competition Is A Good Thing

10-26-17, 01:20 PM	#3
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	Pc builds Biggest waste of cash Expensive Motherboards - Poor Bang per Buck Even mid Ageing ( 7 years ) mid range ASUS P7LXVI Handles GTX980ti no problem Who needs four lanes of Pci GPU slots ? most of the Claims of "PRO" " Deluxe" Etc Etc Meaningless Little real impact on performance Go Cheap spend on other components RAM Memory Cheap $/per Performance good SSD's getting cheaper all the time Intel CPU's all day long, Processor Speeds only on paper comparison . Run cool , low power, superior architecture. Gap between NVidea and AMD closing all the time finally AMD viable option difficult choice Just bought ASRock Motherboard ( Needed the Z170 Chip to unlock i3 ) for budget build. Surprisingly good value other brands just out of price range some useful features ,even looks nice ! ASUS Mobo has slogging along 7 years faultless Simon Windows 10 Intel i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz ( OC with Stock Fan ) Nvidia Zotac GTX980ti 6Gb VRAM ASUS P7LXVLI 16Gb HyperX Memory @ 1600mhz ( Plenty enough for Gaming ) 3 x HHD 3.5 TB + 250GB Kingston HyperX SSD

10-26-17, 06:59 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	My strategy has always been to go with last year's finest. I'm going to violate that this time and go for AMD Ryzen processor. It's killing the present generation of Intel chips and will even beat the next unless Intel makes huge changes. They're overpriced anyway. I've been AMD since 2004 and never regretted it. Saved about 50% and got 90% of the performance. I'm always willing to give up a little quality for a honking good price. But with Ryzen, that's out the window. Now you can have better for less than Intel. Probably won't last long but who cares. I love to support the underdog. I had problems with my ASUS motherboard, but it wasn't the fault of ASUS. There was a catalytic capacitor scam going on at the time where the company who sold most of the worlds' supply was the victim of industrial espionage. The guy who stole the blueprints took them to another manufacturer, who proceeded to steal the market. But what the thief and other company didn't know was that the formula for the electrolyte that was stolen lacked the chemical that preserved the formula. All over the world television sets, phones, radio control equipment, computers, microwaves........failed a year after manufacture. My ASUS motherboard and an EVGA graphics card both died from popped electrolytic capacitors. Today I'd fire up my soldering iron and replace the caps. Then I wasn't up to the task. I think there are a lot of great motherboard manufacturers now. I chose the MSI because it was more Linux compatible, but ASUS, MSI, Asrock, and others are all good right now. And you're right, RAM is the biggest bang for the buck out there. Personally SSDs don't blow my skirt up because I don't care how fast my computer boots once a week. If they get a lot more reliable and cost a quarter of what they do now I'll probably get interested. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

10-27-17, 04:57 PM	#9
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	RR Yeah I Agree nothing wrong with EVGA that's why I went for their PSU. There was tho a Big deal about the 1070 and 1080 overheating VRM's EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 VRM Catches Fire Caught On Camera An easy fix by adding thermal Pads ( In their wisdom they had decided not to fit any saving of 0.10 Euro ) Cost them $$$$$ to put right and Damaged there Reputation for a While till Subject "Cooled" over Went for A Zotac GTX980ti prior to this , Its Cheaper than most of the other options Replaced a Zotac GTX660 I'd had for years. Made in Germany Super reliable It's outstanding, its also Huuuuggge ( 3 Fans ) had to remove part of my case to get it in ( where the 2.5 trays fit ) 1 area that AMD are striving to give you more for your hard earned $ is More VRAM even on low/mid end cards. A Luxury Nvidea makes you pay an Arm and a Leg for. AMD are very Strong in this respect. Simon All Competition Is A Good Thing Last edited by Cyborg322; 10-27-17 at 05:16 PM.

10-26-17, 07:54 PM	#5
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	RR Not sure where you get your CPU info from but don't want to get into whats best arguement its personal preference Benchmarks http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...00X/3647vs3916 Electrolytic Capacitor thing interesting are we talking about the Jap Caps or the lesser quality stuff from China and the rest There was a big deal about leakage one time too At least blown Capacitors are easy to spot if you can be bothered to swap them SSD has a few more benefits than just boot up, helps gaming but its only minimal, had mine a few years only invested a relatively small amount on a 250Gb for that reason, No problems so far . Spindle HDD's do the Job adequately for the rest of storage, SSD's Still expensive I agree !! Problems with EVGA popped up just after I bought a EVGA PSU GS650w had me a little concerned but its been very good for about 3 years now performance really solid. There was also the Bursting into flames saga with GPU's very embarrassing for them for a really dumb mistake Keep buying AMD's good man it helps keeping Intel in check with their Prices for me Simon

10-26-17, 09:05 PM	#6
CaptainCruise Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Long Island, New York...home of the 5 gallon economy bucket of "Cruiser's Crunchy Egg Salad"!!! Posts: 141 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Gotta admit I like AMD CPU's as well. One of my fav's from a build long ago was the AthlonXP 2500. Barton core, extremely overclockable. With GPU's I was a RADEON guy, though now I'll probably buy either. I still have a 9700PRO brand new in the box from ages ago. Also have a old A-BIT mobo brand new in the box based on the nVidia2 chipset. My fav was the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe NVidia 2 chipset. At the time was the best. Another overclockers dream board. "CC"