UK Politics Thread - Page 395

MGR1 · 01-30-17, 09:09 AM

Scottish independence poll: Yes: 43% (-1) No: 51% (+1) (via Panelbase / 20 - 26 Jan): https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...28495226679298

With Don't Knows removed works out as Yes: 46% No: 54%. A slight increase on 2014. As usual with caveats, but so far polling in Scotland has been more accurate than in the UK as a whole.

Mike.

Catfish · 01-31-17, 08:27 AM

Mrs May secures the multi billion pound fighter jet deal with Turkey, before molesting Erdoghan on the question of human rights:

May: “I'm proud that the UK stood with you on the 15 July last year in defence of democracy and now it is important that Turkey sustains that democracy by maintaining the rule of law and upholding its international human rights obligations as the government has undertaken to do.”

Soo proud [sic!] of what happened in Turkey.
Erdoghan's deal with DAESH/IS paying them to get cheap oil via his privately-owned company,
removing democracy and making himself the new Sultan,
letting DAESH kill kurdish civilians while observing that through a fence at a mile's distance and doing nothing,
while the kurdish Peshmerga soldiers fight against Daesh, in contrast to Turkey.

Pride? i think terms like pride, patriotism and protecting borders have been used inflationary lately, and have no meaning any more.

I guess after the EU did not let Erdoghan join the EU because it would not sacrifice its basic principles, Mrs May saw her chance after the Brexit. All the best with your new friend

At least we now know how Brexit will be financed. "Respect".

[/rant]

I know i should not write that here, but seeing the picture with May and Erdoghan makes me want to vomit.

Jimbuna · 01-31-17, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1

Scottish independence poll: Yes: 43% (-1) No: 51% (+1) (via Panelbase / 20 - 26 Jan): https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...28495226679298

With Don't Knows removed works out as Yes: 46% No: 54%. A slight increase on 2014. As usual with caveats, but so far polling in Scotland has been more accurate than in the UK as a whole.

Mike.

Pleased to learn of it.....I'm all for maintaining the union if at all possible.

Jimbuna · 01-31-17, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Mrs May secures the multi billion pound fighter jet deal with Turkey, before molesting Erdoghan on the question of human rights:

May: “I'm proud that the UK stood with you on the 15 July last year in defence of democracy and now it is important that Turkey sustains that democracy by maintaining the rule of law and upholding its international human rights obligations as the government has undertaken to do.”

Soo proud [sic!] of what happened in Turkey.
Erdoghan's deal with DAESH/IS paying them to get cheap oil via his privately-owned company,
removing democracy and making himself the new Sultan,
letting DAESH kill kurdish civilians while observing that through a fence at a mile's distance and doing nothing,
while the kurdish Peshmerga soldiers fight against Daesh, in contrast to Turkey.

Pride? i think terms like pride, patriotism and protecting borders have been used inflationary lately, and have no meaning any more.

I guess after the EU did not let Erdoghan join the EU because it would not sacrifice its basic principles, Mrs May saw her chance after the Brexit. All the best with your new friend

At least we now know how Brexit will be financed. "Respect".

[/rant]

I know i should not write that here, but seeing the picture with May and Erdoghan makes me want to vomit.

Could be interesting to see what developments arise in two days time then

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ger...KBN15A27F?il=0

bertieck476 · 01-31-17, 01:15 PM

@Catfish, the rest of the EU are happy to do a deal with turkey to try and stop totally uncontrolled mass migration into europe.

Skybird · 01-31-17, 01:40 PM

Turkish officers stationed with NATO headquarters and offices in Germany, have asked for asylum days ago. Asylum in Germany.

Get popcorn out for better enjoying Merkel's egg-dance following now - as almost always. DITIB espionage in Germany? No problem for her. Thousands of journalists, lawers, judges in prison in Turkey, more than in any other Muslim country? No problem for her. Turkish secret service hunting Turkish critics hiding in Germany? No word on that either.

If Merkel can treat this de facto tyrant like a good friend - why should Britain's May not do the same while fighting for economic survival of post-Brexit Britain? Is Britain's need less valid for acting distasteful and immorally than Germany's mass migration naivety and stupid deal with the Turkish devil? Merkel acted stupidly, there is no excuse for her naivety. May does what she thinks she economically must.

I dont like the idea of Eurofighters going to Turkey either, Catfish. But it cannot be us Germans lecturing the Brits on this one issue. Even less so when considering how much military stuff we have delivered them ourselves, knowing that they would not obey our - naive - demand that these weapons shall not be used against the Kurds.

NATO must break ties with Turkey and kick it out, that is what must be done. But it will not be done, I do not see that coming any time soon. We bring ourselves into this messy position, and so we deserve the outcome.

Jimbuna · 01-31-17, 02:01 PM

^Far better put than I but we'll see what if anything occurs in two days time.

Oberon · 01-31-17, 02:30 PM

Greece gave asylum to the officers who fled there after the 'coup', needless to say Erdo threw his toys out of the pram.

Catfish · 01-31-17, 02:39 PM

Germany has of course a history of selling arms worldwide, and a lot of it to Turkey in the past decades, though it is of course not alone. As long as Turkey was on Mustafa Kemal's way, and a dependable NATO member.
But Germany has recently stopped various weapons deals with Turkey, together with Austria, as i might mention.
Which is – at this point in time – a good reaction to what Turkey is obviously becoming, under Erdoghan.

http://aranews.net/2016/11/german-ar...-member-turkey

Erdoghan does not have the power to stop fugitives, nor are there so much fugitives anymore. It is almost over.
Regarding turkish officers asking for asylum in Germany, why not? As you probably know just of all Greece has refused to extradite turkish officers.

I hope Merkel tells E. to go to hell. Of course this will not happen.
Nice times when all try to appease the worst nation leaders for their personal advantage. Politics, lmao.

Jimbuna · 01-31-17, 07:38 PM

Politicians....don't you just love em

Catfish · 02-01-17, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Politicians....don't you just love em

Oh YES!

And what is worse, the visits of May and Merkel will be seen as support for Erdoghan's authoritarian course; this will directly influence the election campaign, with the out-of-democracy-election taking place in a few weeks.

No one should have visited Erdoghan after what happens in Turkey. Doing this now is so wrong.

Jimbuna · 02-01-17, 08:22 AM

Then Merkel is no different or better than May and more of a gambler perhaps with the forthcoming elections in Germany

Catfish · 02-01-17, 09:03 AM

^ Exactly, both May and Merkel set the wrong sign at this time.
But this picture is old i think, prepare to insert a new one tomorrow

With a sneering Erdoghan, and an anxiously-smiling Merkel.

I have no idea what happens in the next german election. Merkel remaining chancellor?
Maybe one of the right-wing parties like AfD, or the now-opposition SPD? Both have no idea what to do in case of being elected though

Maybe Merkel again, just for being short of anyone else.
"Alternativlos", without alternative, as Merkel thinks of herself.

Jimbuna · 02-01-17, 09:38 AM

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But this picture is old i think

That pictiure was taken at the NATO Summit in Warsaw, Poland, July 9, 2016.

I'm expecting a win for Merkel. Whilst the right-wing are currently enjoying an upsurge in support especially in Europe, I don't consider any of them to be popular enough to gain power....at the present time.

STEED · 02-01-17, 03:12 PM

Here is today's PMQ's score....

May 4 Corbyn 0

01-30-17, 09:09 AM	#5911
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	Scottish independence poll: Yes: 43% (-1) No: 51% (+1) (via Panelbase / 20 - 26 Jan): https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...28495226679298 With Don't Knows removed works out as Yes: 46% No: 54%. A slight increase on 2014. As usual with caveats, but so far polling in Scotland has been more accurate than in the UK as a whole. Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.

01-31-17, 08:27 AM	#5912
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,802 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Mrs May secures the multi billion pound fighter jet deal with Turkey, before molesting Erdoghan on the question of human rights: May: “I'm proud that the UK stood with you on the 15 July last year in defence of democracy and now it is important that Turkey sustains that democracy by maintaining the rule of law and upholding its international human rights obligations as the government has undertaken to do.” Soo proud [sic!] of what happened in Turkey. Erdoghan's deal with DAESH/IS paying them to get cheap oil via his privately-owned company, removing democracy and making himself the new Sultan, letting DAESH kill kurdish civilians while observing that through a fence at a mile's distance and doing nothing, while the kurdish Peshmerga soldiers fight against Daesh, in contrast to Turkey. Pride? i think terms like pride, patriotism and protecting borders have been used inflationary lately, and have no meaning any more. I guess after the EU did not let Erdoghan join the EU because it would not sacrifice its basic principles, Mrs May saw her chance after the Brexit. All the best with your new friend At least we now know how Brexit will be financed. "Respect". [/rant] I know i should not write that here, but seeing the picture with May and Erdoghan makes me want to vomit. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 01-31-17 at 08:44 AM.*

01-31-17, 01:40 PM	#5916
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,716 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Turkish officers stationed with NATO headquarters and offices in Germany, have asked for asylum days ago. Asylum in Germany. Get popcorn out for better enjoying Merkel's egg-dance following now - as almost always. DITIB espionage in Germany? No problem for her. Thousands of journalists, lawers, judges in prison in Turkey, more than in any other Muslim country? No problem for her. Turkish secret service hunting Turkish critics hiding in Germany? No word on that either. If Merkel can treat this de facto tyrant like a good friend - why should Britain's May not do the same while fighting for economic survival of post-Brexit Britain? Is Britain's need less valid for acting distasteful and immorally than Germany's mass migration naivety and stupid deal with the Turkish devil? Merkel acted stupidly, there is no excuse for her naivety. May does what she thinks she economically must. I dont like the idea of Eurofighters going to Turkey either, Catfish. But it cannot be us Germans lecturing the Brits on this one issue. Even less so when considering how much military stuff we have delivered them ourselves, knowing that they would not obey our - naive - demand that these weapons shall not be used against the Kurds. NATO must break ties with Turkey and kick it out, that is what must be done. But it will not be done, I do not see that coming any time soon. We bring ourselves into this messy position, and so we deserve the outcome. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-31-17, 02:01 PM	#5917
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,938 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^Far better put than I but we'll see what if anything occurs in two days time. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-31-17, 02:39 PM	#5919
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,802 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Germany has of course a history of selling arms worldwide, and a lot of it to Turkey in the past decades, though it is of course not alone. As long as Turkey was on Mustafa Kemal's way, and a dependable NATO member. But Germany has recently stopped various weapons deals with Turkey, together with Austria, as i might mention. Which is – at this point in time – a good reaction to what Turkey is obviously becoming, under Erdoghan. http://aranews.net/2016/11/german-ar...-member-turkey Erdoghan does not have the power to stop fugitives, nor are there so much fugitives anymore. It is almost over. Regarding turkish officers asking for asylum in Germany, why not? As you probably know just of all Greece has refused to extradite turkish officers. I hope Merkel tells E. to go to hell. Of course this will not happen. Nice times when all try to appease the worst nation leaders for their personal advantage. Politics, lmao. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-31-17, 01:15 PM	#5915
bertieck476 Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 327 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	@Catfish, the rest of the EU are happy to do a deal with turkey to try and stop totally uncontrolled mass migration into europe.

01-31-17, 02:30 PM	#5918
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Greece gave asylum to the officers who fled there after the 'coup', needless to say Erdo threw his toys out of the pram.

01-31-17, 07:38 PM	#5920
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,938 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Politicians....don't you just love em __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-01-17, 08:22 AM	#5922
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,938 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Then Merkel is no different or better than May and more of a gambler perhaps with the forthcoming elections in Germany __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-01-17, 09:03 AM	#5923
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,802 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Exactly, both May and Merkel set the wrong sign at this time. But this picture is old i think, prepare to insert a new one tomorrow With a sneering Erdoghan, and an anxiously-smiling Merkel. I have no idea what happens in the next german election. Merkel remaining chancellor? Maybe one of the right-wing parties like AfD, or the now-opposition SPD? Both have no idea what to do in case of being elected though Maybe Merkel again, just for being short of anyone else. "Alternativlos", without alternative, as Merkel thinks of herself. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-01-17, 03:12 PM	#5925
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Here is today's PMQ's score.... May 4 Corbyn 0 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!