£1 a litre/$3 a Gallon

[JSLTIGER]

The simple solution is hydrogen. The hard part is figuring out how to get the hydrogen.

[August]

Originally Posted by Type941

still US pays like 30% less for fuel than we do in europe. So you guys just quit whining.

We only pay 30% less because our gas taxes aren't so high. Instead of telling us to stop whining, perhaps you guys ought to start...

[Type941]

Originally Posted by August

We only pay 30% less because our gas taxes aren't so high. Instead of telling us to stop whining, perhaps you guys ought to start...

nice try. Really - stop whining. You pay 30% less, per capita annual wage is quite high, so just get over your profiligate way of life and start paying for gas like the rest of us.

Wait till you get to 6 bucks a gallon, than you can whine, like we do now.

[August]

Originally Posted by Type941

nice try. Really - stop whining. You pay 30% less, per capita annual wage is quite high, so just get over your profiligate way of life and start paying for gas like the rest of us.

Wait till you get to 6 bucks a gallon, than you can whine, like we do now.

30% less per capita still means the difference is your high tax rates. You have no one but your own government to blame...

[Type941]

do you actually know what you are talking about with respect to taxes or you simply talking? Because it's not quite like you say it is...

[August]

Originally Posted by Type941

do you actually know what you are talking about with respect to taxes or you simply talking? Because it's not quite like you say it is...

On average, taxes (State and Federal combined) make up about 23% of the cost of a gallon of gas in the US. What percentage do you pay?

BTW where do you live anyways?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by JSLTIGER

The simple solution is hydrogen. The hard part is figuring out how to get the hydrogen.

Jupiter is ~86% Hydrogen. Voyager I took only 2 years to reach Jupiter so a mining operation in two decades isn't really out of the picture if it was a priority.

[Kapitan]

Us stop whining we can whinge all we want at our own government, the USA is only in iraq for two reason's one is to set up democracy and one is to secure thier own countrys future oil supply simple as.

As for us its now about 96p a litre some of yours has hit $3 a gallon, and thats high, but your country has big powerful 4 5 and 6 litre cars, did it not occour to you that a 2.0litre car would be more cost effective?

heck why do you need a 6 litre V8 engine in your car, i can understand if you were in germany but come on america you dont need that, your fuel cost's would be alot lower if you toned down your engines.

The rover i have eats fuel too 2.7 litres and i tell you something else it beets the ford mustan 4.6 litre hands down, so having all that under the bonet realy isnt nessasery.

[TteFAboB]

Lock all enviromentalists in the brig so they don't complain while the Ethanol production chain is vastly expanded, and you got yourself cheap fuel. Tough to start an Ethanol engine in the Winter, you'll also need a large crop area, but no more need for pricy gas at the pump.

Whine all you want, everytime you fill your tank with gas you're sponsoring tyrannical dictatorships here and there, everytime the fuel price is high you are sponsoring them even more. Why?! Set up Democracy at Oil extracting nations today, stop filling the tank with gas.

By the way, V8's run great on racing Ethanol.

[tycho102]

I guess the President has relaxed the "environmental restrictions". So that does some good in places like Iowa, but doesn't mean squat for California (who has it's own state laws governing blends).

Didn't he "relax" them back when Hurrican Katrina went through?

[Torplexed]

Every politician here in the US whether Democrat or Republican is currently demagoguing this issue to death. Trying to come up with ways to blunt the spike in prices so as to curry favor with voters.

Wanna actually encourage conservation? Let the price continue to go up. Nothing impacts consumer behavior like taking it in the wallet. If the price goes too high people will change their driving habits and cut back on their use and eventually that'll result in a glut on the market causing the price to come back down.

But when the govenment steps in and starts monkeying with the system for a few short term gains...it usually creates more problems than it solves.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Jupiter is ~86% Hydrogen. Voyager I took only 2 years to reach Jupiter so a mining operation in two decades isn't really out of the picture if it was a priority.

Whats the problem? most of the Earths surface is also Hydrogen so why would you want to go to Jupiter? Might be a cool place to visit, but doubt I want to get my gas from there when we have more than we know what to do with right here, and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to refine it here than send spacecrafts for it.

-S

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Whats the problem? most of the Earths surface is also Hydrogen so why would you want to go to Jupiter? Might be a cool place to visit, but doubt I want to get my gas from there when we have more than we know what to do with right here, and it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to refine it here than send spacecrafts for it.

-S

The problem is that on Earth, all of the hydrogen is bonded to oxygen, in the form of water. In order to retrieve the hydrogen, a large amount of energy must be put into the water. That energy has to come from somewhere.

[Type941]

the problem with hydrogen cars is mass produced they cost a LOT of money.


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I reckon all technology is there, just waiting for the 'right' time to surface. I tell you, till there's oil to sell, there are petrol engines to burn it. Car companies and oil producers may be don't have much to gain from spening billions into R&D for alternative fuel when they can milk you for another 30-40 years on gas eating engine.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by JSLTIGER

The problem is that on Earth, all of the hydrogen is bonded to oxygen, in the form of water. In order to retrieve the hydrogen, a large amount of energy must be put into the water. That energy has to come from somewhere.

Use a reactor. Its clean, efficient, and has plenty of power to do the job. Everyone is nuke scared which is why we don't build many, but it is the solution until self sufficient fusion comes online. Imagine a world of greater than 100% efficiency, or at least close to. That will happen some day.

One problem though - I think the research into seperating hydrogen hasn't been given the attention to detail that other technologies have. A lot has changed since the Hindenbergs where flying the world however. All it takes is $$$ and the worlds energy needs will forever be satisfied.

-S