Who Started World War II?

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*Please either debate the topic or stay out of it*

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Catfish

... on the other hand the people claiming the denial obviously have not much sympathy for those minorities, may it be back then or today.

That's wrong. Even some Jewish intellectuals and rabbis admit that revisionits say the truth. And the only question here is : is it right or wrong ? and not : is it "good" or "bad".

Originally Posted by Catfish

Regardless who started the war, there can be no doubt that the removal of Hitler was a very good decision.

From whose point of view ? ... Certainly not from the german one !

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, I will say this one more time: The argument arose as to who actually started the war. I've already asked the we stick to that subject and no other. If you have something add to that topic, say so and show your case. If not, please stop making snarky remarks and just stay out of it.

[Rockin Robbins]

Benito Mussolini started the war. He was the model for the autocratic, insane monster that Germany became. Since rabid dogs cannot be reasoned with they must be killed. Germany was and deservedly so. They are better for it today.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Some facts, please, and not a book list.

All the text has to be translated in english first. Here is my problem : there are many complexe sentences, technical expressions, and full of subtleties quotes. A mistranslation could be responsible for misunderstandings or even misinterpretations. The text has to be translated in good english.

So here is what I propose :

- I need english speaking volunteers to translate into English some portions of the text.
- They ask me questions when they don't understand the meaning of a sentence.
- Then they give me their translation so I check that there are no errors.
- Finally, I will publish the results here.

F.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Yes, and he's not the only one. This shows how re-educated the Germans have been after WWII, in order to hate themself and be american vassals. And this is not an insult, this is a fact.

Now, let's talk about our subject. You are always trying to change of subject.

Please, enlighten me about my education? The topics of WW2 and Hitler/his rise to power and fall came up quite a bit, yes. But I do not remember that any of my teachers taught me to hate myself for it, or blame myself.
You do have a point when we talk about our politicians, because most of them act exactly that way - but on educational level?
Maybe you should stop commenting on things you don't know Jack about?
Also, I am the last German who rides the ridiculous shame-lane for something my ancestors did. I was born in the 80's, I won't be blamed for anything before that - nice try to swoosh away someone's arguments with unfounded and blatant accusations/claims, however.
Closing, boy, you really, REALLY picked the wrong guy to call an "American vassal" (), but there is no point in explaining or arguing with you.

You have your truth - everyone else is wrong, indoctrinated, ill-advised, a propaganda victim or [insertrandomandunfoundedreason].

This isn't how this works, by the way.
To quote yourself:

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

@ Sailor Steve : You see ? Impossible discussion. This is MAGIC !

Exactly. Impossible - when 'everyone else is just wrong!'

I just realized, I have to quote you again:

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

I'm requesting the moderator to stop this sort of hateful posts. Where is the debate in this post ? Nowhere, except a link (wikipedia), all the rest is useless and disrespecting. If this sort of posts are still allowed, then I stop immediately the debate.

You are talking respect?
As far as I know, Robert Hebras, (one of what, 6 or 7 survivors?) is still alive. He lost his mother and two sisters that day. Do I have to explain how insulting, hurtful and disrespectful your ridiculous claims are for people who survived this crime - or others?

Also, respect is something you earn, not demand - but how could you possibly know that? So go figure why some people here only have very direct words for your kind.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don't even know where I get it from myself....It's probably the pills....

Can I have some, please?

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Okay, I will say this one more time: The argument arose as to who actually started the war. I've already asked the we stick to that subject and no other. If you have something add to that topic, say so and show your case. If not, please stop making snarky remarks and just stay out of it.

Here, here! I've been following this thread this morning and all I see is that these people are not allowing this man to make his points with their slings and arrows coming from all directions.

Originally Posted by Joefour

Here, here! I've been following this thread this morning and all I see is that these people are not allowing this man to make his points with their slings and arrows coming from all directions.

Oh please. He doesn't make any points! He makes claims and promotes absurd beliefs and the people don't fall for that, that's all!

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Oh please. He doesn't make any points! He makes claims and promotes absurd beliefs and the people don't fall for that, that's all!

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

[I] have [my] truth [...] everyone else is wrong.

That's exactly YOUR attitude. For you : I'm wrong, even before I started to explain why the truth is deformed by the official story. You can't even consider that your belief is false and your judgment is biased.

My attitude is : I think I'm right, let me explain why, and perhaps you have better arguments to give me.

You'll convince no one by just saying that I'm wrong. You'll have to prove that my arguments are not valid.

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[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

From whose point of view ? ... Certainly not from the german one !

What about german jews, of the time?

[MLF]

I have been following this "debate" with "interest".

Some book titles have been put forward by Fahnenbohn supposedly supporting his views. As those books/papers are in French Fahnenbohn has requested time to get the relevant supporting documentation translated into English. I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate rather than this constant revolving around a fluid motion which can only fail/end up in tears. This could also give others time to get together material as a counter argument - if anyone is really interested.

No smileys or capitals in bold as this is a very emotive subject.

Regards,

MLF

[Oberon]

Well, to get over this language barrier, why not use Google Translate?

https://translate.google.co.uk/

Post the original French, then Google translate it, and then that will get the very basic element of what you're trying to get across, and if there are any bits that get lost in translation then we can fix them as we find them.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Joefour

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

This is not a in-person forum, one cannot shout over the other here.
You type, submit, it shows. If 10 others type at the same time your post will still show.

About panslavism and WW1.
Russia had no intentions of uniting the slavic nations under one flag. They had Serbia as an ally and a presence in the Balkans. They didn't really care about Slovenes and Croats under the Habsburg yoke.
Serbia would have had ideas of a panslavic country in the Balkans with Slovenes and Croats and they knew Austria-Hungary was sick. But they weren't dumb enough to agregate A-H directly.
Gavrillo princip and the Black hand worked alone, without Belgrade. When the assasination was done Belgrade begged and pleaded to Wien to defuse the situation peacefully. Unfortunately for the world, Franz Joseph was already demented and still living in the age of chilvary and war was the only honorable thing to do. The rest as they say is history.
It wasn't really panslavism, it was a demented Austrian emperor.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

You'll convince no one by just saying that I'm wrong. You'll have to prove that my arguments are not valid.

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You still have to start proving any of the arguments and claims you've made in this thread so why don't you start instead of making more claims and excuses when people ask about them to be backed up. So stop dodging the requests of that work you have and provide them (That they're in French matters little we can get the idea using raw translations from online and perhaps there are some other French people on this board who will bother to post the properly translated version of your work or you do it yourself in due time.)

-Your work of who started World War II according to you and those true historians.

-This video that proves the millions books people have red about history are wrong.

-Which investigation of Oradour sur Glane that the Das Reich Division of the Waffen SS that shot the men and burned the women and children in that church is post-war propaganda.

Provide it.