Boy Scouts of America votes to ease ban on gay members

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

You just went full retard, never go full retard...

From the book of Tropic Thunder.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by August

This is one of the ideas behind segregating sexes. The concept that nobody need feel bashful (or at least feel less so) around people who don't have a reason to look. I don't see why this concept remains valid for gender but not sexuality when they are basically the same in their effect upon the group.

What mixing genders OR allowing open homosexuality does is completely change the social dynamic of any group by adding a whole new layer of complexity to it and I think in the case of the Boy Scouts it is a level of complexity that is unhealthy and unnecessary. The Scouts are not supposed to be about sex of any kind.

Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. That is what they are there to learn.

I believe anything else is best reserved for learning about elsewhere.

Geesh, I totally agree with August.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by garren

Slavery? No way. It was about seceding from the tyrannical overreach of the North who wanted to control the South.

Ah brilliant. Feels like ages since we've had that thread.


Sic Semper Subsim!

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by garren

His post WAS trolling. It was a personal attack on me. Him claiming I'm a troll by trolling himself because he doesn't like my difference of opinion about homosexuality. This forum is full of socialists apparently who see progress through immorality. Well, I'm not for that and I'm proud of my heritage and upbringing and I still have my faith in God. Not going to let a few atheists and gays convince me that they are good people when their souls are hopelessly lost. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised that a pro-military site would have so many leftists and socialists on it. That I wasn't expecting but it just further convinces me that this world, especially the USA, is heading down the toilet at a record pace. Perhaps that's a good thing. Eventually it's got to hit rock bottom and crash. Maybe then people will start to believe again that there's a trend with all this gay stuff and Sodom and Gomorrah and Israel and Rome all having fallen from grace for entertaining mass debauchery of sin. Apparently the words of the Bible are even more accurate than I realized. It said this would happen.

Yea, we need to get back to christian values, burn witches, kill gays, women submitting, let priest go back to torturing anyone that doesn't fall in line with scripture. Yes, bring back morality

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by garren

White supremacist? Me? Where did I ever say I was for white supremacy? I just know a lot about the Klan, uh maybe because I'm black! Hello!

I lived in Canada most of my life. Now I live in the deep South of the US where my family and ancestors are from Montgomery, Alabama. And believe it or not, my ancestors fought in the US Civil war for the South and were and still are proud of the South. Slavery? No way. It was about seceding from the tyrannical overreach of the North who wanted to control the South.

At this point you have to realize that we are playing with you. You've crossed the line several times, seems like. This forum isn't full of leftists and socialists. You have to remember. This is not a US only forum and there are tons of different points of view.

You're Black? That's cool. I don't have anything against you for your race. Race is not a problem for me.

You lived in Canada but now Deep South? Cool! I have nothing against you! You have to calm down and take a step back from the table before you jump to conclusions about personal attacks.

Your ancestors fought in the Civil War for the South? Still yet, I have nothing against you. I have ancestors that fought in the war too. The thing you have to understand is that the North already HAD control over the south. The South wasn't a separate nation being invaded by another. Sure, the South wanted to split...but just think. Could the South have survived without support from the North? The South was mainly agriculture. They couldn't have sustained a nation without some amount of industry. The South probably would've depended on the North's trade anyway.

The thing with America is, we're all in this together whether we like it or not.

My home state of Missouri had slaves and there were battles fought here and there are still people who believe in the South and stuff.... I understand what you mean by your post...

The thing with your posts is that they are very contradictory and hateful. You claim to be under personal attack and that seems to bother you...but what about all the people you are insulting? You've insulted all kinds of groups of people. Gays, Women, etc.

What if there were Gay members on this website?

I know we have a few women on here.

You have to calm down and think rationally.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by garren

White supremacist? Me? Where did I ever say I was for white supremacy? I just know a lot about the Klan, uh maybe because I'm black! Hello!

I lived in Canada most of my life. Now I live in the deep South of the US where my family and ancestors are from Montgomery, Alabama. And believe it or not, my ancestors fought in the US Civil war for the South and were and still are proud of the South. Slavery? No way. It was about seceding from the tyrannical overreach of the North who wanted to control the South.

I think you're a flaming liberal, pretending to be an extreme radical.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

What if there were Gay members on this website?

I know we have a few women on here.

You have to calm down and think rationally.

I'm gay and I'm an Admiral.......

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think you're a flaming liberal, pretending to be an extreme radical.

I think you are right.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think you're a flaming liberal, pretending to be an extreme radical.

For some reason that's just hilarious.

Originally Posted by Armistead

I'm gay and I'm an Admiral.......

Gay? No problem. I personally don't support gay marriage or abortion being a Catholic....but I'm not going to hate you for it.

Admiral? A self appointed one at that.

[garren]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think you're a flaming liberal, pretending to be an extreme radical.

So extreme I voted for Romney sucka! I actually wanted Rick Santorum to win. But I am black, I live in a mostly white upper-class neighborhood and work a job that pays well. I don't believe in handouts, affirmative action (some white people say I got a handout when I strived hard to get to where I'm at. Other blacks are holding me back by being lazy), and I have a white wife and two mixed boys on the honor roll. I believe in gun rights and I think Obama is setting America back really bad on spending and his social division of the US is not helping my race out at all just making us look like a bunch of free loading race card whiners who can't achieve anything because of some myth that white people are anti-black. I've met some white people who are anti-black but very few. I don't wear my feelings on my sleeve like all these other tools in America, like the gays for instance, who are playing the same BS game my race is playing with white America. I'm tired of being perceived as being a victim because of the color of my skin and I'm tired of everyone in America striving to be victims. Because in America those who go to the bottom get the power of the government's backing to elevate them. The quickest way to the top in America is to dive to the bottom, be a victim of some imaginary evil, and claim you need government assistance. It's bankrupting America and going to crash because white America is so pint up with self-guilt for something that happened a long time ago that they don't realize they are being taken advantage of.

[Stealhead]

Troll eat too much....... try to rant more but not a great success.Goes back to Stormfront.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Troll eat too much....... try to rant more but not a great success.

I skimmed through his older posts and this is the first time he's been a troll. He was pretty civilized before...

What happened Garren? Did this thread strike a nerve or something?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

For some reason that's just hilarious.



Gay? No problem. I personally don't support gay marriage or abortion being a Catholic....but I'm not going to hate you for it.

Admiral? A self appointed one at that.

Anyway, glad you have no problem sharing a bunk on my sub. Now, where'd those peanuts go....

{I still remember when gay was happy, today I'm gay, tomorrow I may be mad}

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I skimmed through his older posts and this is the first time he's been a troll. He was pretty civilized before...

Like crack it only takes one hit to become a troll.He does not have a very extensive history beyond this thread really all of his other posts are gaming related there is nothing to judge his general opinion outside of this thread.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by garren

So extreme I voted for Romney sucka! I actually wanted Rick Santorum to win. But I am black, I live in a mostly white upper-class neighborhood and work a job that pays well. I don't believe in handouts, affirmative action (some white people say I got a handout when I strived hard to get to where I'm at. Other blacks are holding me back by being lazy), and I have a white wife and two mixed boys on the honor roll. I believe in gun rights and I think Obama is setting America back really bad on spending and his social division of the US is not helping my race out at all just making us look like a bunch of free loading race card whiners who can't achieve anything because of some myth that white people are anti-black. I've met some white people who are anti-black but very few. I don't wear my feelings on my sleeve like all these other tools in America, like the gays for instance, who are playing the same BS game my race is playing with white America. I'm tired of being perceived as being a victim because of the color of my skin and I'm tired of everyone in America striving to be victims. Because in America those who go to the bottom get the power of the government's backing to elevate them. The quickest way to the top in America is to dive to the bottom, be a victim of some imaginary evil, and claim you need government assistance. It's bankrupting America and going to crash because white America is so pint up with self-guilt for something that happened a long time ago that they don't realize they are being taken advantage of.

I can actually understand that post. I have similar points of view. I don't like handouts. Ever since the end of the Depression, American citizens have been less independent and more dependent on the government. It WILL bankrupt up and Obama IS the wrong choice IMHO.

You're political views are yours. The thing is, your previous posts have been so contradictory that they've made no sense at all. At least that's how I see it as it's happened here.

My old history teacher used to tell us this:

"There are three things you can never talk about publicly. Religion, Politics, and money."

I've found that you can to a certain extent. You have to look at these topics at least semi-openminded or else you're going to get into an argument and possibly a fight. You can't go around and expect everybody to agree with you and you can't go around forcing your views on anybody.