Most fun dogfight you've ever been in?

Skybird · 05-10-13, 09:51 AM

My dogfight moment to remember: many years ago, with Flanker 2.5. Using a Mig-29 myself versus 2 AI-flown F15s, guns and 2 IR per plane only. 5 Minutes of pure air ballet. Somehow the 6 missiles all got spent and hit nothing (in lethal Flanker - that alone is remarkable), and then the ballet began. For me, it was a perfect moment on a perfect day, it was up and down and left and right, from low above ground to some ten thousand feet, sometimes chasing one of the two, sometimes got both trailing on my 6.

Never had such a perfect dogfighting experience before or after again. I managed to survive for around 5 minutes maybe, then gunned one of my opponents, half a minute later got knocked out by the other. But I still start dreaming when remembering the flying. And even without TrackIR back then... I had a very good HOTAS setup with plenty of viewing options on it.

Flanker had the best flight model for jets in its time. As I recall memories of it, it still would hold its ground today. Very dynamic and non-linear, very different to Falcon's FM.

Red October1984 · 05-10-13, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

My dogfight moment to remember: many years ago, with Flanker 2.5. Using a Mig-29 myself versus 2 AI-flown F15s, guns and 2 IR per plane only. 5 Minutes of pure air ballet. Somehow the 6 missiles all got spent and hit nothing (in lethal Flanker - that alone is remarkable), and then the ballet began. For me, it was a perfect moment on a perfect day, it was up and down and left and right, from low above ground to some ten thousand feet, sometimes chasing one of the two, sometimes got both trailing on my 6.

Never had such a perfect dogfighting experience before or after again. I managed to survive for around 5 minutes maybe, then gunned one of my opponents, half a minute later got knocked out by the other. But I still start dreaming when remembering the flying. And even without TrackIR back then... I had a very good HOTAS setup with plenty of viewing options on it.

Flanker had the best flight model for jets in its time. As I recall memories of it, it still would hold its ground today. Very dynamic and non-linear, very different to Falcon's FM.

I lost my Flanker 2.5 Disc somewhere in my basement. I used to love that game. I don't recall being able to fly the Migs though?

I only remember being able to fly the Su-27 and -33.

Skybird · 05-10-13, 04:59 PM

The sim was Flanker 2. A later upgrade they released, turning it into 2.5, included a complete, flyable model with all flight physics and in-cockpit 3D for the Fulcrum.

A Flanker 2.5 disc never existed, I think. Only 2.0

Red October1984 · 05-10-13, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The sim was Flanker 2. A later upgrade they released, turning it into 2.5, included a complete, flyable model with all flight physics and in-cockpit 3D for the Fulcrum.

A Flanker 2.5 disc never existed, I think. Only 2.0

It said 2.5 on the disc.

This is a picture of the box

The box I got mine in looked like this

Arclight · 05-10-13, 05:56 PM

Think I shot Herr B. out of his A-10 with a Maverick once. Wasn't a dogfight, just a test case, but it gave me a good laugh.

Skybird · 05-10-13, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

It said 2.5 on the disc.

This is a picture of the box

The box I got mine in looked like this

Ah, they made a "best buy" golden collection super package of it then.

Back in those days, this is what it looked like over here. I have never seen the 2.5 box in stores.

Red October1984 · 05-10-13, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Ah, they made a "best buy" golden collection super package of it then.

Back in those days, this is what it looked like over here. I have never seen the 2.5 box in stores.

It's a great sim either way. I really liked it.

I don't recall being able to fly MiG's in my 2.5 Version though.

Skybird · 05-11-13, 01:55 AM

The Mig-29K, to be precise. Yes, it had that.

Will you finally believe it...!?

I am not certain, but I think it was not before 2.5 that aerial refueling was possible, too. For the player, I mean.

Later came LOMAC. Then the DCS series with Blackshark and Warthog. Unfortunately one already could see in the early Flanker what later titles still suffer from, imo: the sterile, non-imserive environment and playing expereince. Technically the planes they simulate are works of wonder. I just find not much fun in using them in their environments. Technically sophisticated, but leaves my heart out in the cold.

05-10-13, 09:51 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	My dogfight moment to remember: many years ago, with Flanker 2.5. Using a Mig-29 myself versus 2 AI-flown F15s, guns and 2 IR per plane only. 5 Minutes of pure air ballet. Somehow the 6 missiles all got spent and hit nothing (in lethal Flanker - that alone is remarkable), and then the ballet began. For me, it was a perfect moment on a perfect day, it was up and down and left and right, from low above ground to some ten thousand feet, sometimes chasing one of the two, sometimes got both trailing on my 6. Never had such a perfect dogfighting experience before or after again. I managed to survive for around 5 minutes maybe, then gunned one of my opponents, half a minute later got knocked out by the other. But I still start dreaming when remembering the flying. And even without TrackIR back then... I had a very good HOTAS setup with plenty of viewing options on it. Flanker had the best flight model for jets in its time. As I recall memories of it, it still would hold its ground today. Very dynamic and non-linear, very different to Falcon's FM. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-10-13, 04:59 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The sim was Flanker 2. A later upgrade they released, turning it into 2.5, included a complete, flyable model with all flight physics and in-cockpit 3D for the Fulcrum. A Flanker 2.5 disc never existed, I think. Only 2.0 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-10-13, 05:56 PM	#5
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Think I shot Herr B. out of his A-10 with a Maverick once. Wasn't a dogfight, just a test case, but it gave me a good laugh. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-11-13, 01:55 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Mig-29K, to be precise. Yes, it had that. Will you finally believe it...!? I am not certain, but I think it was not before 2.5 that aerial refueling was possible, too. For the player, I mean. Later came LOMAC. Then the DCS series with Blackshark and Warthog. Unfortunately one already could see in the early Flanker what later titles still suffer from, imo: the sterile, non-imserive environment and playing expereince. Technically the planes they simulate are works of wonder. I just find not much fun in using them in their environments. Technically sophisticated, but leaves my heart out in the cold. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.