Connecticut 'gunman dead' after US school shooting - Page 11

Cybermat47 · 12-16-12, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Would you feel better if he had committed his crimes with a shotgun?

Absolutely not. The only thing you need for self defence is a handgun. Of course, this is only my opinion, and it's your country, so you probably know more about it than I do.

Jimbuna · 12-16-12, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Absolutely not. The only thing you need for self defence is a handgun. Of course, this is only my opinion, and it's your country, so you probably know more about it than I do.

Precisely.

Armistead · 12-16-12, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

America should have stronger gun laws right now. All you need for self-defence is a handgun, and yet this person was using a civilian assault rifle.

What about hunting? You do realize that the majority of game in the USA is controlled by hunters, if it weren't so, numerous animal populations would overpopulate. Not to mention millions of Americans hunt for food. For instance, even with hunting the deer population in NC can get so high, hunters are given extra tags. Once it got so high the concern was starvation and disease would wipe the entire population. The 223 is really nothing more than a hunting rifle with a bigger clip.

A person could easily walked in there with two cut off auto shotguns and done as much damage, so I assume we should get rid of those? Millions of people prefer shotguns for protection, because you'll probably hit something while shaking.

The big issue seems to be clip size, say from 30 down to 10. I don't have a problem with that, I can switch out a clip in about 3-5 seconds.

What you don't see in the news is the millions of Americans that protect themselves yearly from criminals and stop further crimes because they're armed.

Cybermat47 · 12-16-12, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

What you don't see in the news is the millions of Americans that protect themselves yearly from criminals and stop further crimes because they're armed.

Bloody media

Sailor Steve · 12-16-12, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

America should have stronger gun laws right now.

On the other hand many people who want stronger gun laws want to ban handguns and leave rifles alone.

Some will argue that the only gun law that will work would be the absolute banning of all guns, period. That might be difficult in a country in which close to 40% of all households contain at least one gun.

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All you need for self-defence is a handgun, and yet this person was using a civilian assault rifle.

So? Who says all you need is a handgun? Who says you need a gun at all? I could argue that all you need for self-defense is a good knife. Others have argued that all you need is a good police force.

On the other hand many such crimes have been committed with handguns. I had a friend who owned several of each, and he never shot anybody. I own a rifle, and I haven't shot anybody.

Jimbuna · 12-16-12, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

What about hunting? You do realize that the majority of game in the USA is controlled by hunters, if it weren't so, numerous animal populations would overpopulate. Not to mention millions of Americans hunt for food. For instance, even with hunting the deer population in NC can get so high, hunters are given extra tags. Once it got so high the concern was starvation and disease would wipe the entire population. The 223 is really nothing more than a hunting rifle with a bigger clip.

A person could easily walked in there with two cut off auto shotguns and done as much damage, so I assume we should get rid of those? Millions of people prefer shotguns for protection, because you'll probably hit something while shaking.

The big issue seems to be clip size, say from 30 down to 10. I don't have a problem with that, I can switch out a clip in about 3-5 seconds.

What you don't see in the news is the millions of Americans that protect themselves yearly from criminals and stop further crimes because they're armed.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

On the other hand many people who want stronger gun laws want to ban handguns and leave rifles alone.

Some will argue that the only gun law that will work would be the absolute banning of all guns, period. That might be difficult in a country in which close to 40% of all households contain at least one gun.

So? Who says all you need is a handgun? Who says you need a gun at all? I could argue that all you need for self-defense is a good knife. Others have argued that all you need is a good police force.

On the other hand many such crimes have been committed with handguns. I had a friend who owned several of each, and he never shot anybody. I own a rifle, and I haven't shot anybody.

Valid points...the debate as always goes on

yubba · 12-16-12, 04:32 PM

I guess no one wants to talk about all the shootings in Chicago it sounded like they had 15 different shootings yesterday alone so how are these less important or is there a bigger problem...????? I'll tell you right now if this government can't come to grips, for what it is doing to our economy you are going to see more of this...

12-16-12, 04:32 PM

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What you don't see in the news is the millions of Americans that protect themselves yearly from criminals and stop further crimes because they're armed.

Prove it, the NRA runs out that line of bull frequently, but the numbers it uses are from laughable excuses for surveys.
They include things like two drunks disputing which one owns a stolen video game and one ends up shootintg the other so thats using a gun to stop the "crime" of his friend stealing the stolen property, then there ids the man with a gun who heard a noise so defended his property from criminals by grabbing his gun...but it turned out it was only some coons in the yard.

Hey they even tried to use examples like crazy old coots who shoot kids for walking on the grass as its stopping the crime of "destruction of their property"

12-16-12, 04:38 PM

Yubba delivers

Hey yubs, that first right wing nut on the poster went out straight away repealing all the restrictive legislation on firearms the state already had imposed
Oh sorry is reality and facts too hard for ya

Sailor Steve · 12-16-12, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Prove it, the NRA runs out that line of bull frequently, but the numbers it uses are from laughable excuses for surveys.

I'm personally aquainted with three separate individuals who say they have done just that, using a gun to thwart a home invasion. As far as I know only one of the three reported the incident. There are also plenty of accounts in newspapers over the years.

Ignore the propaganda pieces and just read the actual acounts here:
http://www.akdart.com/gun3.html

You could find plenty more if you really wanted to.

Oh, and I agree with your other post: Yubba the Yutz strikes again!

Armistead · 12-16-12, 05:33 PM

Seriously, if you hear a criminal coming into your house at night, would you rather try to talk to him unarmed or shoot the bastard before he gets to your kids.

What's sad it the numerous 1000's of 911 calls each year of a person calling reporting a burglar, crazed spouse, etc...breaking in, but they have no way to protect themselves....often they're found dead, raped or beaten by the time the police get there.

eddie · 12-16-12, 05:37 PM

Then there are those home owners who believe they can be Judge and executioner at the same time. Just because you have a gun to protect yourself or your property doesn't mean you can go as far as this guy did up our way.
http://now.msn.com/anonymous-hacks-w...baptist-church

"According to the complaint, Smith told police that he heard someone breaking into his house at noon on Thanksgiving. He showed police the window he says Brady and his cousin, Kifer, used to enter his house, which he said had been broken into several times before. Lange, his friend, said he kept his valuables downstairs.
Smith told police he armed himself with a rifle and a handgun and waited downstairs until he saw the first person's feet, then legs, then hips.
He said he fired and the first victim, Brady, tumbled down the stairs. While Brady looked up at him, he shot him in the face, according to the complaint.
"I want him dead," he told investigators.
He put Brady's body on a tarp and dragged him into his basement workshop and sat back down in his chair.

Several minutes later, he heard more footsteps and saw Kifer coming down the stairs. He waited until he saw her hips, then fired. She also fell down the stairs, but then his rifle jammed and Kifer laughed.
That angered Smith. "If you're trying to shoot someone and they laugh at you, you go again," he told police.
He then pulled out the .22-caliber, nine-shot revolver that he was wearing, and fired "more shots than I needed to." He dragged Kifer into the workshop, placed her next to Brady and noticed she was still gasping for air.
"Smith stated at this point he placed the handgun under the woman's chin and shot her ... up into the cranium ... a good clean finishing shot."
He told police neither of the teens were armed but he feared they might have had a weapon.
He asked a neighbor the next morning if he knew any lawyers, and that neighbor apparently called police"

Of all the so called breakins that happened at his house, he only called the police once. Asked why he didn't call police after shooting these 2 on Thanksgiving, he said he didn't want to bother them on a holiday!

Armistead · 12-16-12, 05:54 PM

Those few cases aren't what we're talking about..this guy was a nut.

The law states people have the right to be secure in body and property.
If someone breaks in your home and you feel threatened, you have the right to protect yourself.

I damn near killed my brother when we were room mates in our mid 20's. He was supposed to be out of town working for two weeks. One night I woke up to someone coming through the window. He had been partying, brought home by friends with no keys and instead of knocking, came through the window. When his head came through I put a 45 to his head and said some tough words....Lucky I didn't shoot, rather scared myself.
He didn't even remember it the next day.

Fish · 12-16-12, 05:56 PM

Guns don't kill. Americans do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

12-16-12, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Dear NRA,
if this is all that comes to your mind regarding this, i hope the spokesman of yours who proposed this 'solution' gets a big gun rammed up his ass, indeed i feel the strong urge to come over and do this myself !
And i will gladly go to the brig for having said this.

The last thing we need is some aggressive rhetoric from some foreign clown. You worry about your own country and we'll worry about ours.

The last thing we need are narrow minded people who dare to argue like you just did.
While I mostly disagree with what you say/write in general, I am truly shocked this time.

You have just crossed a line.

On a personal note: Catfish´s reaction is absolutely understandable, I had to read this NRA crap twice to believe it and felt it is a big insult to anyone involved with what just happened in Newtown.
If you disagree, fine, but do not insult him as a "foreign clown" and give him an advise you do not follow yourself the slightest!

12-16-12, 04:32 PM	#157
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I guess no one wants to talk about all the shootings in Chicago it sounded like they had 15 different shootings yesterday alone so how are these less important or is there a bigger problem...????? I'll tell you right now if this government can't come to grips, for what it is doing to our economy you are going to see more of this... Last edited by yubba; 12-16-12 at 04:43 PM.

12-16-12, 05:37 PM	#162
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Then there are those home owners who believe they can be Judge and executioner at the same time. Just because you have a gun to protect yourself or your property doesn't mean you can go as far as this guy did up our way. http://now.msn.com/anonymous-hacks-w...baptist-church "According to the complaint, Smith told police that he heard someone breaking into his house at noon on Thanksgiving. He showed police the window he says Brady and his cousin, Kifer, used to enter his house, which he said had been broken into several times before. Lange, his friend, said he kept his valuables downstairs. Smith told police he armed himself with a rifle and a handgun and waited downstairs until he saw the first person's feet, then legs, then hips. He said he fired and the first victim, Brady, tumbled down the stairs. While Brady looked up at him, he shot him in the face, according to the complaint. "I want him dead," he told investigators. He put Brady's body on a tarp and dragged him into his basement workshop and sat back down in his chair. Several minutes later, he heard more footsteps and saw Kifer coming down the stairs. He waited until he saw her hips, then fired. She also fell down the stairs, but then his rifle jammed and Kifer laughed. That angered Smith. "If you're trying to shoot someone and they laugh at you, you go again," he told police. He then pulled out the .22-caliber, nine-shot revolver that he was wearing, and fired "more shots than I needed to." He dragged Kifer into the workshop, placed her next to Brady and noticed she was still gasping for air. "Smith stated at this point he placed the handgun under the woman's chin and shot her ... up into the cranium ... a good clean finishing shot." He told police neither of the teens were armed but he feared they might have had a weapon. He asked a neighbor the next morning if he knew any lawyers, and that neighbor apparently called police" Of all the so called breakins that happened at his house, he only called the police once. Asked why he didn't call police after shooting these 2 on Thanksgiving, he said he didn't want to bother them on a holiday! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-16-12, 04:38 PM	#159
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yubba delivers Hey yubs, that first right wing nut on the poster went out straight away repealing all the restrictive legislation on firearms the state already had imposed Oh sorry is reality and facts too hard for ya

12-16-12, 05:33 PM	#161
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Seriously, if you hear a criminal coming into your house at night, would you rather try to talk to him unarmed or shoot the bastard before he gets to your kids. What's sad it the numerous 1000's of 911 calls each year of a person calling reporting a burglar, crazed spouse, etc...breaking in, but they have no way to protect themselves....often they're found dead, raped or beaten by the time the police get there.

12-16-12, 05:54 PM	#163
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Those few cases aren't what we're talking about..this guy was a nut. The law states people have the right to be secure in body and property. If someone breaks in your home and you feel threatened, you have the right to protect yourself. I damn near killed my brother when we were room mates in our mid 20's. He was supposed to be out of town working for two weeks. One night I woke up to someone coming through the window. He had been partying, brought home by friends with no keys and instead of knocking, came through the window. When his head came through I put a 45 to his head and said some tough words....Lucky I didn't shoot, rather scared myself. He didn't even remember it the next day.

12-16-12, 05:56 PM	#164
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Guns don't kill. Americans do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate