Please explain "virtual selling" to me

[Diopos]

Skybird is correct both in asking and in being ... cautious (at least). The various "golden boys" in companies and banks are seeking to consolidate their financial power by direct control of political processes and institutions. We are not citizens any more but clients/customers. Imagine a banker as head of the goverment . Wait ... we have one here in Greece .

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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

You know Skybird, its your pursuit of truth that will drive you mad

I just accept politics and economics as "magic" and move on with my life.

This is no longer the age of imperialism (when money made sense), no longer does it come from the barrel of a gun. Nowadays financial "wizards" do a bit of "magic" and money appears out of thin air.

Just accept it as witchcraft, and move on with your life

That is not easy going, but just taking things for granted and let it all slide means accumulating moral guilt.

Money does not appear out of nowhere. The belief that it does is what has brought us to where we are. To me, the desire to always accelerate the developement cycles of all and everything (products as well as economic growth processes), to make the big money faster, as well as the turn from seeing money as a calculation unit for trade towards making it the desirable object of trade itself, are the key sins we fell to, on a most profound level. By doing so we have created more money in circulation than is covered by material wealth. And the money that is stockpiled by the rich, is the money that is missing in circulation. The wealth of the few thgus becomes the poverty of the many.Even more, due to interest'S interest obligations, there is a constant redistriubution going on from the many having little towards the few having much.

The wiser head gives in, it is said. But that is the reason why the stupid heads rule the world.

I do not worry for myself that much, I am 45 and learned last year that for certain reasons I will not meet the statistical mean life expectancy for white males in Europe. But I know two blond cuties 7 and 10 years old, girls of a very close friend of mine, and for them I fear the worst. The bills for our sins and failures have started to drop in, and this will not stop anymore. The young ones, and their parents also, maybe, will get overrolled sooner or later. It already has started, when you look close enough.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Diopos

Skybird is correct both in asking and in being ... cautious (at least). The various "golden boys" in companies and banks are seeking to consolidate their financial power by direct control of political processes and institutions. We are not citizens any more but clients/customers. Imagine a banker as head of the goverment . Wait ... we have one here in Greece .

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They have hijacked the system and democracy itself, tailoring it into a process that produces only people like themselves, and allows only character attributes they have themselves to make it through the ranks and rise to the top.

In the political arena, parties no longer are the voice of the people, and member sof parliament are no longer independeant in their mind and decision making, but they get submitted to be loyal to the power interest of the party - somethinbg that was not planned for the German and American democracies at least. By having become an independant, additonal interest party in the democracy game, parliaments have lost their sovereignity and representative function for those who have voted a certain person from their district into parliament. - In Germany it was just tried to censor the right to speak for members of parties that are not in line with the demanded party line that is beign ordered by th eparty'S top. The attempt is now "under review". I'm sure it is just a question of time untiul they try it through another backdoor. The background wasd a decision by the German parliament president to let two critics of the ESM speak in a debate some months ago. Parties do not want criticism of this being voiced in parliuament, and immense pressure, even foul play was tried to silence these in advance. What says this about our parties?

Party leaders lead their parties like managers lead a company. Parties are companies today, and the product they deliver is the career politician's ideal stereotype that everybody tries to comply with. The right to rule and the demand that the party must follow, and the whole country, has becoming natural partr of politicians' self-understanding, and if they get voted out of office or do not get what they want, they are shocked and do not understand the world anymore, for this possibility is completely outside their world view. How can one dare to not confirm them, and how can one dare not follow them?

And a known rersult from social psychology, this weakness that humans donot like to admit mistakes they have made, and instead tend to carry on in the erratic way, continuing the errors and mistakes, and accepting to let things become worse and worse, only to avoid needing to admit that they had been wrong and made a mistake.

Today'S myth on what our political reality is, has more to do with the visions of a Philip K. Dick than anyone can find comfortable.

[Diopos]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That is not easy going, but just taking things for granted and let it all slide means accumulating moral guilt.

Money does not appear out of nowhere. The belief that it does is what has brought us to where we are. To me, the desire to always accelerate the developement cycles of all and everything (products as well as economic growth processes), to make the big money faster, as well as the turn from seeing money as a calculation unit for trade towards making it the desirable object of trade itself, are the key sins we fell to, on a most profound level. By doing so we have created more money in circulation than is covered by material wealth. And the money that is stockpiled by the rich, is the money that is missing in circulation. The wealth of the few thgus becomes the poverty of the many.Even more, due to interest'S interest obligations, there is a constant redistriubution going on from the many having little towards the few having much.

The wiser head gives in, it is said. But that is the reason why the stupid heads rule the world.

So true! With one exception. The "stupid heads" are just puppets, the puppetiers are not stupid (but almost certainly are greedy);

I do not worry for myself that much, I am 45 and learned last year that for certain reasons I will not meet the statistical mean life expectancy for white males in Europe.

. So sorry to hear that Sky. Same here, too.

The bills for our sins and failures have started to drop in, and this will not stop anymore. The young ones, and their parents also, maybe, will get overrolled sooner or later. It already has started, when you look close enough.

Being a father of two I already see it coming BIG TIME.

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[Skybird]

I have finished a book some days ago, where the author asked: is it really that the system produces stupidity and irresponsibility at the top ranks? Couldn't it be that stupidity and irresponsibility are just needed to make it up to the top ranks?

Just listen to any politicians empty phrases, the endless repition of always the same empty ohrases, this terrible emptiness in phrases and slogans, this stupid propaganda of theirs, and you see that this author probably hit the nail on top, I think.

P.S. Good that we can meet beyond the emotional level again, Diopos. We will probably disagree on certain things in the future again, and maybe agree on other aspects of the same things, but anyhow we must not follow the standards set by politicians and the yellow press when doing so, German and Greek alike.

[Diopos]

Stupidity is necessary. A stupid "servant" never raises a serious argument or question.

Irresponsibility is ... accommodating. An irresponsible "servant" can easily by blamed for failure rather than the "king" himself.

Good that we can meet beyond the emotional level again, Diopos

Sure is ... Ok enough hugging...Can we go back to some good old GrecoGerman debt bashing now please?

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[Diopos]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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Second, Asian companies saw that the idealistic Germans subsidised EVERY producer of solar panels, not just their own (which was once the idea behind subsidies, right? To boost your own economy!? But the Germans and their imperial idealism, you know...). They therefore bought shares of German producers to gain influence and know-how in German production, and they increased their own (far superior) production capacities, with estimated over 85% of the subsidies now going not to German companies, but Chinese and other Asian ones.
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Just heard that ther would be an extra "bonus" (aka subsidy) for installation of European-made panels in Greece but have not pinpointed a written "source" yet.

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