Libya looks set to chart moderate course on Islam

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by tater

The black flag/sign with the white circle... Al Qaida.

Naaaa - just the local Johohonny Depp fan club.

[1480]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Naaaa - just the local Johohonny Depp fan club.

Once again, skybird made me laugh.

Moderate Islam = military intelligence.

[Betonov]

If they bring it on a level that my Bosnian co-workers show, they'll achieve a lot

[Tchocky]

Islamists aren't stupid. They're not going to try for total power in Libya straight after a despotic dictator. There are social/economic problems and 40 years of repressed rage to be worked out - better to let a moderate, cohesive government get the country back onto an even keel and then try convincing the people that make-believe chop-off-hands is the important stuff.

Blech. So far better than what was in place before, sad that that's all to be said right now.

[joegrundman]

i feel pity for osama bin laden. it seems unfair that he didn't live long enough to see this tremendous irony that NATO and the UN has helped to achieve on his posthumous behalf



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ourthouse.html

[Kongo Otto]

Even the last village idiot on this planet by now should have learned that Islam is an enemy to every free secular society on this planet.
21st centuries Islam is nothing more than hate, violence, murder, intolerance and opression to everyone else!!

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Even the last village idiot on this planet by now should have learned that Islam is an enemy to every free secular society on this planet.
21st centuries Islam is nothing more than hate, violence, murder, intolerance and opression to everyone else!!

yeah, whatever.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Even the last village idiot on this planet by now should have learned that Islam is an enemy to every free secular society on this planet.
21st centuries Islam is nothing more than hate, violence, murder, intolerance and opression to everyone else!!

Originally Posted by Morts

yeah, whatever.

Ah ok how old are you? 12?
Taking your statement as an "really sophisticated" expression of islam, then please answer the question what achievements had the Islam in the last lets say 100 years instead of hate, murder, violence, intolerance and opression?
C'mon enlighten us with your profound knowledge.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Betonov

If they bring it on a level that my Bosnian co-workers show, they'll achieve a lot

In the three, so-called "great" monotheisms, "moderation" has been achieved by ignoring segments of whichever holy book. In Islam, there are no large groups who have done this at all as a matter of sect doctrine. Some muslims are moderate simply because they are not terribly devout, or because they simply don't know what their own religion teaches. The same is true of jews and christians, BTW. Most of those know the 10 commandments, but how many know that the punishment for violating most of them is death?

So, there are no real moderate sects of Islam, but there are plenty of people who identify themselves as muslims who do not really practice good Islam, and are hence "moderate." The whole point of the Muslim Brotherhood, and similar organizations is to teach muslims arabic (the vast majority of muslims are unable to read their own holy book—200-something million people can speak or read arabic, and there are 1.2 billion muslims). Once they learn to read the koran, they become far more fundamentalist, since Islam requires literalism and infallibility of their silly book (again, the same is true of other, silly books).

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by tater

In the three, so-called "great" monotheisms, "moderation" has been achieved by ignoring segments of whichever holy book.

Exactly, that's what makes the Bosnians so moderate, they're very good at ignoring (especialy the part of the work process called instructions)

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Betonov

If they bring it on a level that my Bosnian co-workers show, they'll achieve a lot

Sorry for asking, is this now sarcasm, irony or zynism?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Sorry for asking, is this now sarcasm, irony or zynism?

Reality.
Bosnians are known as being extremly non ''islamic''. They're muslims but they don't practice sharia law, they eat pork (but rarely since they prefer lamb and beef) and they drink alcohol... a lot, practice monogamy, when it comes to their women I have yet to see one in a burka and I have yet to see a bosnian man to be outraged by a scantily dressed woman, quite the opposite.
And don't give me last weeks incident in Sarajevo, it was a crazy fool watching too much TV. An incident that won't be repeated in a 100 years.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Reality.
Bosnians are known as being extremly non ''islamic''. They're muslims but they don't practice sharia law, they eat pork (but rarely since they prefer lamb and beef) and they drink alcohol... a lot, practice monogamy, when it comes to their women I have yet to see one in a burka and I have yet to see a bosnian man to be outraged by a scantily dressed woman, quite the opposite.
And don't give me last weeks incident in Sarajevo, it was a crazy fool watching too much TV. An incident that won't be repeated in a 100 years.

Yes i know, therefore i didnt understood your statement.
Well the guy in Sarajevo, he's probably just another victim of the war.
Sarajevo, the say it has become a beautiful town after the war, all i know of the town are such places like Snipers alley back in 1992.

[joegrundman]

I know a muslim Kosovan guy, now a member of the government in Pristina. He drank quite a lot and had no concerns about dietary requirements.

He told me there is an expression in the region "to still carry the cross", which is to say that even though you are now officially a muslim family, and most likely have been for a few hundred years, you still keep a crucifix somewhere in your house, typically in the rafters under your roof. A sort of divine bet-hedging.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Yes i know, therefore i didnt understood your statement.

Ups, re-read my statement about Lybia, it does sound like I'm sarcastic
Thats' what I hate about forums, you can't hear the tone of voice