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Old 02-20-11, 01:51 PM   #8
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I see what you are saying, and I am sure you are speaking from experience in Germany. To me, it seems unlikely due to the fact that you would need to completely remove the First Amendment's separation of church and state, and that would not go quietly.
Oh, it's making progress. The magic formula is to combine "human rights" with "defamation", and you have a ticket to bypass major Western obstacles to guard Islamic supremacist claims. Again, the method is not to have the Supreme Court making a rule on Shariah or the first amendement, but to change it by changing the cultural context and climate in which it is embedded and inside which it operates. Then the court and the laws will change "naturally", and all by themselves. Islam knows no separation of relgion and politics, and so can claim constitutional proetction for its political acting by freferring to the constitutional guarantee that free relgious practicing is guaranteed. It drives me mad that this lethal vulnerability of Western constitutions (all of them!) is not getting payed attention to since so many years now, while we see Islamic groups abusing and exploiting this breach to their maximum advantage atime and tiem and time again.

Banning criticism as "discrimination", "racism" and "defamation" works wonders already here in Europe! Here, criticising Islam now is a punishable crime, and in over half a dozen countries there are currently court cases proceeding against journalists and politicians of the moderate and reasonable kind (no extremists at all), who raised valid questions on Islam and referred to Islamic scripture. It is censorship, and self-limitation of our freedom to think, and our freedom to speak.

I read that the US prepares a law that would make any publication of government secret documents and any revealing of such documents to investigative journalists a punishable crime. That would mean the end to and investigative journalism deserving the name, and would move the government outside any indepedent research done by journalists. That this is pushed forward since Cablegate should tell you that in America you maybe are not as safe from more crippling of your freedom of speech and free press, than you think. And this after procedural changes ordered by the WH already have had a crippling effect on the quality of critical and independent journalistic work in recent years.

Be on your guard. You've been warned. Don't do like we do over here. Laws they cannot smash their heads frontally through, they still can evade, orf dig their way beneath them, hollowing them out whuile turning them against you. That is what is happening in Europe. America sees the same process, just some years lagging behind.
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