Dick O'Kane lead angle question

[General Tso]

Originally Posted by Fish40

Please guys, let's not get out of hand here. It could be just an innocent mix up.

@ General Tso: As far as I understand it, the DO method dose not use the PK at all. According to the tutorial, the PK is never turned on.

In real life Dick O'Kane used the PK so that's good enough for me.

[I'm goin' down]

I stand corrected. I meant to say you clicked on bearing. re the new thread, I don't know what you should do.

[General Tso]

Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

I stand corrected. I meant to say you clicked on bearing. re the new thread, I don't know what you should do.

I was concerned that our talk about the O'Kane method was interrupting the LOVEFEST but that seems to have died down, so I guess a new thread isn't needed.

[I'm goin' down]

if greyrider posts here rather than in a new thread, as I suggested, things will get confusing quickly.

[tomoose]

I couldn't agree more. I've never seen RR post the "Rockin' Robin Method" which would give some validity to Greyrider's accusations. RR has always posted the "Dick O'Kane" method and has always referred to the sub skippers themselves as well as indicating other players methods or tweaks. How that can be seen as plagiarism is beyond me.

As you so rightly pointed out, it is only a game and noone's "profits" are being ripped off etc.

I would say RR's only "flaw" would be that he calls 'em as he sees 'em and doesn't pull any punches. I for one appreciate that but some people I guess, do not.

[I'm goin' down]

I conducted a search of all posts using the term tactical folder. The oldest post located was in Aprill 26, 2006, by greyrider, entitled "tactical folder." He indicates he is building a tactical folder. There is a link in his post to rapidshare, but it is broken. I tried copying the link to his post but it did not copy. To find the post, conduct a word search for "tactical folders" under search posts. His post is on page 6 of the list that contain that term, and he is the author.

[razark]

Originally Posted by General Tso

In real life Dick O'Kane used the PK so that's good enough for me.

The problem is that Dick O'Kane had a real, full-featured, working TDC to use. We don't have a way to run it backwards, the way O'Kane would have, so we have to compromise to find ways to do what real skippers did.

[Rockin Robbins]

Greyrider, at no time during the development of any of the targeting methods I teach was I aware of your existence or "contributions" and there is no need for anyone to be aware of you now. Dismissed.

General Tso: I do not claim that the Dick O'Kane method is a method used by Dick O'Kane. I and the group of people who developed the methods I popularize (I'm a cheerleader and translator, not some mathematical genius) decided that we would name our techniques after prominent US submarine captains. There is some resemblance between the Dick O'Kane method and how the man shot torpedoes, but what you do is actually closer to his technique. After all, the position keeper is more than a predictor of future target positions. It also serves to verify that your TDC inputs are accurate because you can track whether the virtual target is moving at the same speed, in the same direction and maintains the same bearing as the real target. Your technique of unlocking the periscope and sending bearings of juicy parts of the target is a very close analog of O'Kane's manipulation of the PK advance wheel.

By the same token, John P Cromwell never took a shot that resembled the John P Cromwell technique. These attack methods are only memorials for the skippers they are named after.

The vector analysis technique is called that at the wish of Nisgeis, who opted for a descriptive name. I make no claims to have invented anything new in anything I teach. I may present it in a different way, but it is the same technique that U-Boats used in World War I and surface torpedo boats used even before then. Of course, greyrider is older than that and taught them all.

[gutted]

Who cares who did what? As long as the collective knowledge is increased it matters not.


p.s. I still to this day refuse to subscribe to the "Dick O' Kane" bandwagon

The name just makes me cringe lol.

[I'm goin' down]

greyrider certainly cares. I'm not anyone else does.

By the way, I still have your Solution Solver program on my desktop, right next to MoBo. I am still not sure how the ship speed portion the program works, so I use the three minute rule.

nice to see you are still around.

[Captainchaos]

Most likely cavemen have been chucking spears ahead of moving prey without the TDC or any sub knowledge.

Helpful tutorials win.

Can`t see where this thread is going except down.

[timmyg00]

Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

By the way, I still have your Solution Solver program on my desktop, right next to MoBo. I am still not sure how the ship speed portion the program works, so I use the three minute rule.

I love the Solution Solver. And the speed tool is easy... the whole package, combined with Razark's Show Air Contacts mod, has got me sinking ships with no map contacts!

TG

PS the cool thing about the Solver is that I can practice identifying AOBs with Training Mode at work My only wish would be to make the ship type changeable...

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by gutted

Who cares who did what? As long as the collective knowledge is increased it matters not.


p.s. I still to this day refuse to subscribe to the "Dick O' Kane" bandwagon

The name just makes me cringe lol.

I would'a called it the Graucho Marx method but Aaronblood took offense at the mustache!

[General Tso]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I would'a called it the Graucho Marx method but Aaronblood took offense at the mustache!

Because of his "rapid-fire delivery" or his "innuendo-laden patter"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx

[General Tso]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Greyrider, at no time during the development of any of the targeting methods I teach was I aware of your existence or "contributions" and there is no need for anyone to be aware of you now. Dismissed.

General Tso: I do not claim that the Dick O'Kane method is a method used by Dick O'Kane. I and the group of people who developed the methods I popularize (I'm a cheerleader and translator, not some mathematical genius) decided that we would name our techniques after prominent US submarine captains. There is some resemblance between the Dick O'Kane method and how the man shot torpedoes, but what you do is actually closer to his technique. After all, the position keeper is more than a predictor of future target positions. It also serves to verify that your TDC inputs are accurate because you can track whether the virtual target is moving at the same speed, in the same direction and maintains the same bearing as the real target. Your technique of unlocking the periscope and sending bearings of juicy parts of the target is a very close analog of O'Kane's manipulation of the PK advance wheel.

By the same token, John P Cromwell never took a shot that resembled the John P Cromwell technique. These attack methods are only memorials for the skippers they are named after.

The vector analysis technique is called that at the wish of Nisgeis, who opted for a descriptive name. I make no claims to have invented anything new in anything I teach. I may present it in a different way, but it is the same technique that U-Boats used in World War I and surface torpedo boats used even before then. Of course, greyrider is older than that and taught them all.

I assumed that since it was called the Dick O'Kane method that it was supposed to be the same method that he used in real life - my bad for assuming.

What I like about the method that I am currently using is that I found it while reading one of O'Kane's books and I just took what I read there and applied it in the game, and it worked!