German police arrest 22 in neo-Nazi internet raid

[Gerald]

German police said on Wednesday they had arrested 22 people suspected of spreading neo-Nazi ideology in a major swoop against far-right internet radio station Widerstand-Radio (Resistance Radio).

In an operation involving some 270 officers, police raided 22 premises across 10 of Germany's 16 states, confiscating numerous computers and telephones, the Federal Crime Office (BKA) said in a statement.
The station could be heard worldwide around the clock, and operated from a server based in the United States, the BKA said. Listeners to the site would register via a false name and address in the western German city of Dortmund, it added.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...979381,00.html








Note:Wednesday, November 3, 2010 7:44:00 PM CET

[Ducimus]

Sweet.

[Betonov]

Neo-nazi? What does that mean exactly? Is there some codified definition?

[tater]

I hate nazis.

Won't even play one in a game (never flown german planes in il-2, never even looked at the u-boats in SH4 (aside from a couple I sank in the PTO)). Been in ww2ol since closed beta, never spawned german, not once. I watch movies like SPR, and when they shoot the nazis with hands in the air (and yep, I consider anyone in ww2 in a german uniform a nazi, regardless of their actual party membership status), my reaction is "damn straight, the time to surrender is BEFORE you kill so many of the guys who are obviously gonna win."

This story, OTOH... they are being arrested for being morons? Wrong-thinking? I guess this American head can't get too excited about a score of morons being arrested for their thoughts—or were they actively plotting terrorism, or something actually physically criminal?

tater

PS—where is neo-nazi ideology congruent with economic policy that is more free-market, or non-centralized government power, etc? I'm not seeing the "far right" except in the sense it was originally applied tot he nazis—by Stalin.

[Gerald]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by tater

(and yep, I consider anyone in ww2 in a german uniform a nazi, regardless of their actual party membership status),

Wow, just wow.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Vendor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II social or political movements seeking to revive Nazism or some variant thereof.

So they want a command-economy run by an oligarchy of "picked" businessmen, a socialist government with very strong central control, and are genocidal racists.

I'm seeing zero overlap with any "right" political goals. Odd that people continue to use Stalinist propaganda to define a group that is functionally closer to Stalin than any modern political grouping. (know it's been done to death her with Political Compass threads, etc, but this "far right" nonsense WRT nazis is a pet peeve.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by tater

I hate nazis.

Won't even play one in a game (never flown german planes in il-2, never even looked at the u-boats in SH4 (aside from a couple I sank in the PTO)). Been in ww2ol since closed beta, never spawned german, not once. I watch movies like SPR, and when they shoot the nazis with hands in the air (and yep, I consider anyone in ww2 in a german uniform a nazi, regardless of their actual party membership status), my reaction is "damn straight, the time to surrender is BEFORE you kill so many of the guys who are obviously gonna win."

This story, OTOH... they are being arrested for being morons? Wrong-thinking? I guess this American head can't get too excited about a score of morons being arrested for their thoughts—or were they actively plotting terrorism, or something actually physically criminal?

tater

PS—where is neo-nazi ideology congruent with economic policy that is more free-market, or non-centralized government power, etc? I'm not seeing the "far right" except in the sense it was originally applied tot he nazis—by Stalin.

No SH3 then?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Wow, just wow.

Germans knew exactly what was going on in Germany. Fighting for Germany in WW2 was fighting for Hitler, and everything that meant. they knew this.

I should not have said anyone in German uniform. I take that back. A few did the right thing and tried to kill Hitler. Those guys were OK in my book.

[tater]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

No SH3 then?

Never even considered buying it (nor SH5).

[Oberon]

Eh well, your choice. Personally I think your brush is a bit big, but if that's what you want to believe, then that is what you want to believe, nothing we say will change it.

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by tater

Germans knew exactly what was going on in Germany. Fighting for Germany in WW2 was fighting for Hitler, and everything that meant. they knew this.

I should not have said anyone in German uniform. I take that back. A few did the right thing and tried to kill Hitler. Those guys were OK in my book.

And you consider the nation that enslaved blacks, and killed millions of natives, and distroyed their culture, and put them on reservations all that much better?

And also the fact that not all german soldiers were nazis, there were some who where, but not all. If your country called on you, and you had to go to war or possiably die, would you say no...

[tater]

Originally Posted by Task Force

And you consider the nation that enslaved blacks, and killed millions of natives, and distroyed their culture all that much better?

First, no, anyone that participated, or didn't speak out against it was culpable.

Or should I just say that only a few in power had any real control, so it was OK to just look the other way?

That said, the USA did not kill millions of natives. Thousands, yes. Millions, no. Millions may have died after first contact with the Spaniards (then brits and French) from disease. Numbers are hard to nail down, some cited are ridiculously high. Still, those people would have died even had the conquistadors really been "explorers" and just looked around and left. The damage was done thanks to bacteria and viruses. By the time the USA was starting to be settled, the native populations had already been more than decimated.

Slavery. Totally wrong from the start. To be fair, the enslavement itself was done by other africans (and was well before there were european buyers around). They were then bought by scumbags in the US. A lot of Americans with no real personal interest in the practice died to end it, for what that is worth, though.

I didn't say modern Germany was culpable in nazi crimes, I said German soldiers were "nazis" as far as I was concerned since they fought to prolong the Reich, and hence everything bad it stood for. Any German who was happy or proud when Poland, France or anywhere else fell is no better—that leaves little of the population left to be "anti-nazi."

Slavery was instituted by the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc. All nations who were involved in European trade.

To blame the US for slavery is to forget the history of the imperial nations, which the US has never been, although the opportunities have existed.