So we can walk around the boat, but did real Kaleuns do that?

Hitman · 01-04-10, 11:19 AM

As a continuation of another thread, I'm curious to hear from guys who have served aboard submarines or other small warships (That's for you Steve

, in case you missed it) about where the captain was and went in the ship. Of course at battlestations he would be almost exclusively at the CIC/Control Room or Conning Tower/Bridge, and I suppose he ocasionally went around the ship in ordinary conditions, but really how often? Did he inspect himself minor details? Were there places a captain would normally never go to? How frequent was for a machinist to meet the captain suddenly in the machine room?

Not that I'm against this feature in SH5, which is of course very wellcomed, but I got curious

Nickolas · 01-04-10, 11:34 AM

I assume that given certain conditions the kaleun would go anywere...

Imagine if most (read: almost all) torpedoes were faulty, I'd personally go along with the chief engineer and the weapons officer to the bow torpedo room to see what's wrong. I guess i'd go to the engine room if something serious had happened (u-505 coff coff) to assess the damage myself.

ps:

just because they didn't doesn't mean they couldn't

Jaeger · 01-04-10, 12:19 PM

i served on a german small warship and i am sure, the captain never entered the machine room. if there were problems, he asked the chief...

ETR3(SS) · 01-04-10, 12:27 PM

It really depends upon the Captain. Some like to utilize the Chain of Command a bit more than others, some are quite personable and chat briefly with you. On my boat both CO's I had could be found in the Engine Room quite a bit, but spent most of their time in the Forward Compartment. The Radio Room was a hot spot for the Captain as well. But an Ohio is a big boat, can't be everywhere the Captain is all the time.

Sailor Steve · 01-04-10, 12:28 PM

Ours did. He liked to pay the ocassional courtesy visit to every department on the ship. Of course the operative word here is 'ocassional'. Yes, the captain could, and sometimes did, visit any compartment he wanted. It's his boat after all - he's the king. On the other hand none of that is necessary to the operation of a ship, so, like external views, it has a 'coolness' factor, but unlike that other function is actually realistic.

Plus: I think having it is a great idea, mainly because of all the people who asked for it. And it will be cool to look at.

Neutral: I played SH1 for years, and AOD a little less. Those games had no compartments to visit, and no crew to look at, and no 3D views at all, and yet they are still talked about today as a high point for others to aim at.

Minus: How much time has been spent to make this happen, at the expense of what else? Still no wolfpacks? Is the AI vastly improved? Are the major bugs of the two previous versions fixed? If all those have happened then great. Add the cool stuff. If not, fix the problems first.

IanC · 01-04-10, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Ours did. He liked to pay the ocassional courtesy visit to every department on the ship.

That makes sense. I'm assuming all captains do this (except maybe aircraft carrier captains lol), simply to keep moral up with alot of 'way to go men, keep it up boys' etc...
Hey maybe if we don't visit the compartments in SH5, the crew moral gradually drops

vanjast · 01-04-10, 01:17 PM

With regard to the AI.. it would be good to know if the devs have read all the books available on WW2 Sub warfare, as the books I've read give a great deal of insight into the tactics used.

SteamWake · 01-04-10, 01:23 PM

You know what would be awsome is if say you visited the fore torpedo room and find everyone napping.

You could chew them out and redress them

Never mind the fact you left them at battle stations for 18 hours straight.

IanC · 01-04-10, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

You know what would be awsome is if say you visited the fore torpedo room and find everyone napping.

You could chew them out and redress them

Never mind the fact you left them at battle stations for 18 hours straight.

, how bout opening the hatch and finding a dancing crew member with lipstick and dangling oranges. I smell a mod in the making...

danurve · 01-04-10, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC

, how bout opening the hatch and finding a dancing crew member with lipstick and dangling oranges. I smell a mod in the making...

It'll be the navy dude without the hat.

Seeadler · 01-04-10, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Were there places a captain would normally never go to?

To the girls restrooms

During my time in the german navy I had a captain who came down to our accommodation deck, just for drinking a beer with me ...it was on my 25. birthday in Cadiz

danasan · 01-04-10, 03:58 PM

If I took the movie "das Boot" as a reference, I'd say the captain went everywhere when the trouble was on. F.x. bottomed at Gibraltar. In normal duty, he stood in his "Zentrale" or better command room to keep an eye and ear to the Hydrophone, to the Radio and to the conning tower with the watch crew to make his decisions quickly, if needed.

And honestly, who would stay longer as necessary in the diesel room with all that infernal noise, that stinking mixture of oil and grease and stuff.

And, running an attack, I think most of that hatches were close to ensure water tightness as far as possible...

danasan

01-04-10, 04:26 PM

i think it comes down to the very basic question of having a good reason to be there

im sure the captain would go check things out if there was a serious problem and he wasnt needed elsewhere but other than that i think everyone stayed in their own "zone" where they worked or slept since there wasnt room to move around much anyway.

i would think being out of your asigned area wasnt done often but im sure during slow times it wasnt strictly frowned upon either

heck if you squat in front of the hatch you can shout to any compartment except the engine room and have a direct conversation from where you were

Jimbuna · 01-04-10, 04:44 PM

I don't think there were any limitations in RL (says he who only served in the merchant navy...and not for long at that).

If nothing else it would serve to keep the morale of the crew high but in the main I think he'd leave each compartment to it's own chief/expert.

Task Force · 01-04-10, 04:46 PM

Id think the kapitan would visit the engine room ocationaly... I mean, a uboat is a small place...

01-04-10, 11:19 AM	#1
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	So we can walk around the boat, but did real Kaleuns do that? As a continuation of another thread, I'm curious to hear from guys who have served aboard submarines or other small warships (That's for you Steve, in case you missed it) about where the captain was and went in the ship. Of course at battlestations he would be almost exclusively at the CIC/Control Room or Conning Tower/Bridge, and I suppose he ocasionally went around the ship in ordinary conditions, but really how often? Did he inspect himself minor details? Were there places a captain would normally never go to? How frequent was for a machinist to meet the captain suddenly in the machine room? Not that I'm against this feature in SH5, which is of course very wellcomed, but I got curious __________________ One day I will return to sea ... Last edited by Hitman; 01-04-10 at 12:34 PM.

01-04-10, 12:19 PM	#3
Jaeger Chief Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 316 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	i served on a german small warship and i am sure, the captain never entered the machine room. if there were problems, he asked the chief... __________________ Everything comes to him who waits

01-04-10, 12:27 PM	#4
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	It really depends upon the Captain. Some like to utilize the Chain of Command a bit more than others, some are quite personable and chat briefly with you. On my boat both CO's I had could be found in the Engine Room quite a bit, but spent most of their time in the Forward Compartment. The Radio Room was a hot spot for the Captain as well. But an Ohio is a big boat, can't be everywhere the Captain is all the time. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

01-04-10, 12:28 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Ours did. He liked to pay the ocassional courtesy visit to every department on the ship. Of course the operative word here is 'ocassional'. Yes, the captain could, and sometimes did, visit any compartment he wanted. It's his boat after all - he's the king. On the other hand none of that is necessary to the operation of a ship, so, like external views, it has a 'coolness' factor, but unlike that other function is actually realistic. Plus: I think having it is a great idea, mainly because of all the people who asked for it. And it will be cool to look at. Neutral: I played SH1 for years, and AOD a little less. Those games had no compartments to visit, and no crew to look at, and no 3D views at all, and yet they are still talked about today as a high point for others to aim at. Minus: How much time has been spent to make this happen, at the expense of what else? Still no wolfpacks? Is the AI vastly improved? Are the major bugs of the two previous versions fixed? If all those have happened then great. Add the cool stuff. If not, fix the problems first. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-04-10, 01:23 PM	#8
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You know what would be awsome is if say you visited the fore torpedo room and find everyone napping. You could chew them out and redress them Never mind the fact you left them at battle stations for 18 hours straight. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-04-10, 11:34 AM	#2
Nickolas Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 112 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I assume that given certain conditions the kaleun would go anywere... Imagine if most (read: almost all) torpedoes were faulty, I'd personally go along with the chief engineer and the weapons officer to the bow torpedo room to see what's wrong. I guess i'd go to the engine room if something serious had happened (u-505 coff coff) to assess the damage myself. ps: just because they didn't doesn't mean they couldn't

01-04-10, 01:17 PM	#7
vanjast Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere else now Posts: 1,733 Downloads: 825 Uploads: 4	With regard to the AI.. it would be good to know if the devs have read all the books available on WW2 Sub warfare, as the books I've read give a great deal of insight into the tactics used.

01-04-10, 03:58 PM	#12
danasan Elite Spam Hunter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Flensburg / Germany Posts: 1,141 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	If I took the movie "das Boot" as a reference, I'd say the captain went everywhere when the trouble was on. F.x. bottomed at Gibraltar. In normal duty, he stood in his "Zentrale" or better command room to keep an eye and ear to the Hydrophone, to the Radio and to the conning tower with the watch crew to make his decisions quickly, if needed. And honestly, who would stay longer as necessary in the diesel room with all that infernal noise, that stinking mixture of oil and grease and stuff. And, running an attack, I think most of that hatches were close to ensure water tightness as far as possible... danasan Last edited by danasan; 01-04-10 at 04:26 PM.

01-04-10, 04:26 PM	#13
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	i think it comes down to the very basic question of having a good reason to be there im sure the captain would go check things out if there was a serious problem and he wasnt needed elsewhere but other than that i think everyone stayed in their own "zone" where they worked or slept since there wasnt room to move around much anyway. i would think being out of your asigned area wasnt done often but im sure during slow times it wasnt strictly frowned upon either heck if you squat in front of the hatch you can shout to any compartment except the engine room and have a direct conversation from where you were

01-04-10, 04:44 PM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I don't think there were any limitations in RL (says he who only served in the merchant navy...and not for long at that). If nothing else it would serve to keep the morale of the crew high but in the main I think he'd leave each compartment to it's own chief/expert. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Id think the kapitan would visit the engine room ocationaly... I mean, a uboat is a small place... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"