SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-18-09, 06:30 AM   #1
Lt.Fillipidis
Weps
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Veria, Greece
Posts: 365
Downloads: 44
Uploads: 0
Default

One thing i just remembered reading the post of Torplexed.
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.
I wont ask what the hell was France doing in indochina. Probably the same what Britain was doing in africa and India or America in the pacific.

Edit: As far as i know, Roosevelt won his last elections but guaranteeing neuterality to the war, didnt he?
Lt.Fillipidis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-09, 01:07 PM   #2
AngusJS
Seasoned Skipper
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 746
Downloads: 62
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis View Post
One thing i just remembered reading the post of Torplexed.
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.
What else were they supposed to do? Let Japan gobble up the rest of East Asia?

Quote:
I wont ask what the hell was France doing in indochina. Probably the same what Britain was doing in africa and India or America in the pacific.
That was pretty ironic, though it should be remembered that Axis control of those areas would be much worse.


AngusJS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-09, 03:53 PM   #3
Tribesman
Stowaway
 
Posts: n/a
Downloads:
Uploads:
Default

Quote:
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.
Provocative?
What obligation did US companies or the government have to keep selling goods to Japan?
As for provocation I would have thought the main provocation was when Japan sank a US warship which was escorting US oil tankers that were being threatened by Japan. I would of thought that was sufficient provocation for the US to block all its trade with Japan.
But no, a country later blocking some of its trade with another country that is on the rampage across a continent is the real provocative move in some peoples book
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-09, 04:00 PM   #4
AVGWarhawk
Lucky Jack
 
AVGWarhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In a 1954 Buick.
Posts: 28,254
Downloads: 90
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
Provocative?
What obligation did US companies or the government have to keep selling goods to Japan?
As for provocation I would have thought the main provocation was when Japan sank a US warship which was escorting US oil tankers that were being threatened by Japan. I would of thought that was sufficient provocation for the US to block all its trade with Japan.
But no, a country later blocking some of its trade with another country that is on the rampage across a continent is the real provocative move in some peoples book
As I understand it, the embargo was to curtail the agressive Japanese in other Asia countries. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I would suspect all trade would stop after ships are sunk.
__________________
“You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.”
― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road
AVGWarhawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-09, 09:35 PM   #5
Torplexed
Let's Sink Sumptin' !
 
Torplexed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,823
Downloads: 43
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis View Post
One thing i just remembered reading the post of Torplexed.
Japan's main oil supplier was USA. About 90% of Japan's oil imports were originated from USA. The embargo could easily cripple IJN. Quite provocative move in such a little time, in my opinion.
The image of a Japan backed into a corner by American boycotts and sanctions and finally lashing out in desperation has been a staple of anti-Roosevelt politics and revisionist history for a quarter century after 1945. Did the US use a powerful economic lever on Japan by resorting to embargo? Yes, because diplomatic protests through normal channels to a country essentially being run by a military clique who no longer answered to any civilian authority wasn't working anymore.
Torplexed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.