The Germans can now shoot back!

SUBMAN1 · 07-29-09, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I suppose the 'moderate' one would be the one standing on the left.....without a weapon on view

He has a weapon. Stock of a russian variety rifle is clearly seen under the sling.

Of course, the barrel is not showing, so he is a moderate.

-S

Jimbuna · 07-29-09, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

No, that guy is a collateral.

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

He has a weapon. Stock of a russian variety rifle is clearly seen under the sling.

Of course, the barrel is not showing, so he is a moderate.

-S

hehe

FIREWALL · 07-29-09, 08:51 AM

It's called ROE. Been There, Done That.

Dan D · 07-29-09, 01:03 PM

A friend who is s soldier in the Bundeswehr and who will be on his third mission to Afghanistan soon has told me that they did not even have light mortars let alone something heavier in the past. They only had fire arms to defend themselves when they get attacked. So when some guys in the hills would fire one two or shells into the camp, which they do from time to time to remind the Germans of their presence, they had nothing to shoot back. The roof of the canteen in the camp e.g. had a huge hole caused by such an act of provocation.
The Dutch army guys in the neighbourhood for example would just pull out their heavy howitzers and send some shells back into the hills.

German troops in Afghanistan so far are instructed to act more like Police less than Military. This was possible because the circumstances allowed it. In the area where the Bundeswehr has the responsibility the situation was more like it is in former Yugoslavia today, where troops are there to show presence to calm the situation.

The relationship with the civilian population has been good so far. The soldiers are trusted not feared, no killing people and breaking things.

The situation seems to change now with Taliban infiltrating into that area and looking for a fight aiming to destabilise that part of Afghanistan as well.

This may lead to a different approach which is up to the policy makers to decide.

Skybird · 07-29-09, 02:49 PM

They have had mortars in the past already, but were not allowed to use them for real. They were used for sending flares at night only. not before the current German offensive, first of it's kind, the German were using their heavier weapons: mortars and Marder-IFVs.

On the relation with civilians, I have heared different reports. The once trustworthy Afghans do not trust the germans that much anymore, and the germans no longer have heydays when leaving the camp. Since longer time now every leaving of the camp is a combat patrol, ready to fight and expecting the worst. Civilians meet them with reluctance now. In the early years you could have seen Germans walking on foot, without helmets. that is over since long. Since years it is full combat gear and helmet, wepaons ready, huge groups, hoping not to have to leave vehicles.

This description is from a guy coming home from Mazar-e-Sharif last autumn. The media also paint a different picture since longer time. and already in 2004, I think, the German commander of that time was complaining that the German camp "Warehouse" is almost defenseless against artillery strikes from the surrounding mountains overwatching the valley, leaving the camp completely depending on the good will of the other side. The Germans have no artillery of their own. Back then they had 5 helicopters of which 2-3 used to be undergo constant repairs. They have no tanks as well. The German tanks in Afghanistan, Leopard-2A6ers - are run by the Canadians, who absolutely love them.

Schroeder · 07-29-09, 03:07 PM

We don't need heavy gear down there, it's not a war yadda yadda.

Kptlt Thomsen · 07-29-09, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

It's called ROE. Been There, Done That.

Having been there twice myself..I agree...PC ROE's SUCK!

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They have had mortars in the past already, but were not allowed to use them for real. They were used for sending flares at night only. not before the current German offensive, first of it's kind, the German were using their heavier weapons: mortars and Marder-IFVs. On the relation with civilians, I have heared different reports. The once trustworthy Afghans do not trust the germans that much anymore, and the germans no longer have heydays when leaving the camp. Since longer time now every leaving of the camp is a combat patrol, ready to fight and expecting the worst. Civilians meet them with reluctance now. In the early years you could have seen Germans walking on foot, without helmets. that is over since long. Since years it is full combat gear and helmet, wepaons ready, huge groups, hoping not to have to leave vehicles. This description is from a guy coming home from Mazar-e-Sharif last autumn. The media also paint a different picture since longer time. and already in 2004, I think, the German commander of that time was complaining that the German camp "Warehouse" is almost defenseless against artillery strikes from the surrounding mountains overwatching the valley, leaving the camp completely depending on the good will of the other side. The Germans have no artillery of their own. Back then they had 5 helicopters of which 2-3 used to be undergo constant repairs. They have no tanks as well. The German tanks in Afghanistan, Leopard-2A6ers - are run by the Canadians, who absolutely love them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-29-09 at 03:00 PM.

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Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A friend who is s soldier in the Bundeswehr and who will be on his third mission to Afghanistan soon has told me that they did not even have light mortars let alone something heavier in the past. They only had fire arms to defend themselves when they get attacked. So when some guys in the hills would fire one two or shells into the camp, which they do from time to time to remind the Germans of their presence, they had nothing to shoot back. The roof of the canteen in the camp e.g. had a huge hole caused by such an act of provocation. The Dutch army guys in the neighbourhood for example would just pull out their heavy howitzers and send some shells back into the hills. German troops in Afghanistan so far are instructed to act more like Police less than Military. This was possible because the circumstances allowed it. In the area where the Bundeswehr has the responsibility the situation was more like it is in former Yugoslavia today, where troops are there to show presence to calm the situation. The relationship with the civilian population has been good so far. The soldiers are trusted not feared, no killing people and breaking things. The situation seems to change now with Taliban infiltrating into that area and looking for a fight aiming to destabilise that part of Afghanistan as well. This may lead to a different approach which is up to the policy makers to decide.