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11-14-15, 10:34 AM | #76 |
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I suspect just a matter of time.
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11-14-15, 10:39 AM | #77 | |||
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Obviously there were plotters arrested in Verviers recently with weapons and explosives. That could have been an event like yesterday - we don't know. Quote:
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How quickly we forget.
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11-14-15, 11:28 AM | #78 |
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Not overwhelmed, it's that the terror tactics have changed from large bombs going off and it's easy to get the authorities alerted to it when one buys a barrel of ammonium nitrate and owns no fields, now they're focusing on mass shootings and grenades, which can be aquired slowly, maybe one piece at a time or smugled component by component into the country.
And as Tchocky said, for this one attack maybe 10 were stopped, maybe this attack was planned for a later time in bigger extent but the intel was too close to busting them. |
11-14-15, 11:34 AM | #79 |
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Ugh. I just woke up to the nice news out of Paris. Be strong France.
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11-14-15, 12:25 PM | #80 | |
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Someone on imgur hits the nail
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11-14-15, 01:15 PM | #81 |
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Sadly, yes. I've been waiting for another attack in London, Birmingham or Manchester for a while. One can only presume it's slightly harder to get the weaponry across the Channel or something. But yes, this is a war after all, sadly, and we are going to suffer casualties.
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11-14-15, 01:19 PM | #82 |
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Sooo, we what is being said then its part of the new norm, we shouldnt get too worked about it. Well I mean as long as I can get too work other than that we shouldnt be concerned?
And as far as the myth of no go zones. The myth is nobody not even police venture in. Reality is its not exactley a tourist destination. And the police when they do go they go heavily armed, and take other special precautions not normally associated with routine patrols. At least according to French governemnt sources and european news agencies. Look this is becoming an increasing problem. When my dog gets fleas I dont let them itch, if I do they spread multiply and eventually get on me. No, when it comes to fleas I exterminate them at the first sign.
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11-14-15, 01:28 PM | #83 |
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In a way, yes, it is the new norm, it has been the new norm since September 2001. We should expect terror attacks, but no-one is going to be able to take away the shock when they happen. Yes, we can work to prevent them and we have done, there are countless terror attacks that have been averted, potential terrorists that have been arrested, but no force is perfect and some are going to slip through.
Should we just shrug and say 'fair enough', well...no, of course not, and we need to make sure that if there is a way that does not undermine the values of the nation that we hold dear, if there is a way to stop something like this from happening then we should take it. So yes, if your dog gets fleas, you de-flea it...but unless you eradicate every single flea in the world in a mass flea-genocide, you're not going to completely prevent the dog from the chance of getting fleas again. |
11-14-15, 01:29 PM | #84 |
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I'm so to say confused in many way
I shall try as good as I can to explain one of my confessions For the moment I have only Danish TV-channels one Swedish TV-channel and depending on the weather(antenna-air) 10-20 different German TV-channel I try to get as much information about ISIS/The terror in Paris and other places I hear Danish,Swedish and or German terror expert make statement in some news program I try to remember what they have said Here is a the lastest from the former leader of the Danish PET(equal FBI) "Its not that easy to "hear" what ISIS are saying to each other, they are using advanced military coding system" This was his answer to a question from the journalist. Markus |
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We have 7/7 and 13/11, instead of The Troubles and Red Brigades. DOn't ask me if this is an improvement, I've no idea. Quote:
But if it's going to go, dismantle it rather than destroy it through negligence and disrespect. Quote:
We're no closer to cracking the IS nut today than yesterday - we're just a little deeper in innocent blood.
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11-14-15, 01:34 PM | #86 |
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Another thing that makes me sad
Reading some peoples response "Islam has declared war on us, we can not trust a Muslim" Islamic radicalism has declared war on us, that's true. but they are not every Muslim or every Muslim is not radical in their belief and that's a mega huge different. Markus |
11-14-15, 01:35 PM | #87 |
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Worrying rhetoric bubbling up around the place, though.
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11-14-15, 01:39 PM | #89 |
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My concern is that this has been just the opening act.
Amongst IS' legionaires, a huge number has French passports - passports which will help them to return to France legally. The French contingent amongst IS' foreign fighters, is one of the biggest foreign groups in IS' service. One of those attackers who got killed was a known "radical", already known to the police since 2010. And still he could freely move around and get himself into striking position. I fear France must take into account that there could be several hundred, maybe even over a thousand, sleepers ready to strike within its national borders currently. Impossible to completely neutralize that threat. Of the killed attackers today, one has owned an Egyptian passport, and at least one Syrian, maybe even two Syrian passport shave been found by the authorities. One of these Syrian passports is linked to a Syrian "refugee" who had entered Greece via Turkey sometime in October. The German BKA has warned already weeks ago that several tens of thousands of forged Syrian passports were circulating at the time of this BKA announcement. In past weeks, several countries let Syrian and other migrants and refugees travel without registration and checking their papers at all, due to the huge pressure at the borders. The head of the German coalition party SPD several days ago admitted that tens of thousands of refugees just disappear after they crossed the German border, and are moving around in Germany untracked, unknown off and completely unregistered. In other words: nobody has any clue on how many of those masses of foreign people who were let in, were not what they pretended to be. Dozens? Take that as a certainty. Hundreds? Could be possible. Nobody can say for sure. This is a perfect security nightmare. If the story about that Syrian passport gets further confirmed, it means that those 130 people got killed and those hundreds got wounded in exchange for letting happen uncontrolled border crossing and unregulated mass migration. Nice trade. Headless sentimentality and wishful dreaming has quite a bit to do with it. Today's threat by IS that this has been just the first of several strikes, absolutely is no empty threat, but must be taken into account as a substantial threat for sure. What they would need for maintaining that threat, is a sufficient supply of suicide attackers, no matter whether national residents ( many of the attackers seem to have spoken accent-free French, also the attackers in London and Madrid held British and Spanish passports), or IS-returners or false "refugees" streaming into Europe. Did I already say that this is a security nightmare? But one that one could have easily foreseen - if only one would have wanted that. But since many years one stuck the head into the sand, and in recent weeks and months insanity turned from bad to worse. Madness, when turning pandemic, is called "reason".
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11-14-15, 01:46 PM | #90 |
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Aye, sadly that is likely. I think it was inevitable that there would be radicals hidden in the refugee crowds. But do you turn away millions for a low percentage of troublemakers?
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