War on the Middle Class

[elite_hunter_sh3]

its a growing problem in America and Canada, my dad said if it keeps going at the rate it is theres gonna be Very rich class, and unemployed class, then there will be violence and maybe worst case scenario revolution

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/41192/

[JetSnake]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

its a growing problem in America and Canada, my dad said if it keeps going at the rate it is theres gonna be Very rich class, and unemployed class, then there will be violence and maybe worst case scenario revolution

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/41192/

Can't wait. It would spice things up abit.

[geetrue]

I hate to bring prejudice views up, due to I believe God is watching me at all times ... so please be careful of what you say too.

But it really gets to me to call a tech line (for example net zero), but I know there are many others and get an obvious foreign accent. I can barely understand what they are telling me ... I can actually feel the anger in me well up as I am talking to someone in a third world country trying to answer my question, as I realize they need the pay check and the 1,000's of others in the USA that got moved on needed the paychecks too.

I have to repent unlike others that keep their anger, but it is real ... It is really happening ... the bottom line for big money making companies, I guess you can call them capitalist, (but what would our great country do without them) have efficency experts telling them to go overseas with their 800 numbers ...

I have even asked the person on the other side of the phone if they are in India, etc and they have agreed that is where they are at the moment I am talking to them.

Okay I got that off of my chest ... now I have to go repent ...

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by Letum

The way I see it is:
We are all brothers. There is no reason why Joe America should have a job but Joe Mexico should be banned from having a job.
There should be a level playing field for everyone to live and work where they like.

I have lost a previous job to a Latvian worker before, but only because I wouldn't accept a pay drop.


My view is not just a socialist view. It is a capitalist view because it is good for the business to have broad range of job seekers.

False Entitlement. This is the key in your outlook.

I could rant on for awhile but I like keeping things short. Here's a quote by a poster on another board elsewhere that sums it up quite well:

"Illegal aliens wanting a better life does not give them the right to break our laws. I hear this all the time, "Poor little Juan just wants a better life." I want a better life too. Why don't I just break into someone's house and steal one. No Juan, stay on your side of the border and fix your own country."

Working in a town that's dominated by foreigners.. some legal, some not, I can definitely say they drain my low pay when I see illegals buying steaks for dinner with food stamps. With money I pay the government.

[Bort]

I find it interesting that when America has so many huge issues to deal with at the moment, so many politicians and pundits are panicking and demanding immediate action be taken against people who hop our border fence so they can mow our lawns for less than minimum wage.:hmm:
On the list of pressing issues for our nation to address, this one is waaaay down the list.

[MadMike]

From Forbes.com

[note by Mike- Sweden has a population of nearly 10 million]

http://members.forbes.com/global/2001/0319/034.html

The new face of Swedish socialism
By Richard Heller, 03.19.01

Swedish snapshot A: Shows a taxed-to-the-eyeballs welfare state where the government grabs more than 52% of the country's GDP—the highest percentage of any industrial country. A Swedish businessman who earns Euro200,000 a year gets to keep just 49% of his paycheck. Of OECD countries, only France comes close to Sweden in taxing its most successful businesspeople (for complete tax data on 33 countries, see "The tax grab 2001," Forbes Global, Feb. 5).

Swedish snapshot B: Shows a booming economy bubbling with entrepreneurial activity. Growth is predicted to be 3.5% for 2001; inflation, 1.7%; unemployment, 4% (less than half the European average). In 1999, according to the European Information Technology Observatory, Sweden ranked first in the world in investment in information technology and telecommunications. Venture capital is pouring into Sweden, and labor productivity is rocketing: From 1990 to 1999 productivity climbed 47% in Sweden, against 39% in the U.S. and 31% (on average) in the EU. Last year, Sweden topped the global standings in R&D spending as a percentage of GDP with 3.7% (in the U.S. it was 3.1%), according to the OECD.

How to reconcile snapshots A and B? Is Sweden a bloated welfare state? Or a People's Republic of Entrepreneurs?

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[loynokid]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Illegal imigrants have and are breaking federal and in many cases state law as soon as they cross the border without permission. Regardless of their condition within their own countries as soon as the enter the US under those conditions they are criminal.

My question would be if you forgive law breakers in this case on what other laws are we willing to give people a pass? Child molestation, discrimination based on race, premeditated murder. What good is the rule of law if it doesn't apply to everyone equally? Once anyone crosses into the US tey are subject to US law and if one crosses into the US illegaly they are criminal (they broke US law) and are subject to deportation which is also US law.

Many would argue that the law is discriminatory, that is not the case because it does not point to any pparticular group as criminal. If as a citizen of the US, you disagree with the current law I would suggest you contact your elected representative and express your wishes.

What you just stated is my personal belief of the immigration issue of the US. But what i don't know is how practical it is to find all of the illegal aliens and deport them, anyone have any info on this?

[loynokid]

Originally Posted by Bort

I find it interesting that when America has so many huge issues to deal with at the moment, so many politicians and pundits are panicking and demanding immediate action be taken against people who hop our border fence so they can mow our lawns for less than minimum wage.:hmm:
On the list of pressing issues for our nation to address, this one is waaaay down the list.

It isn't the same priority as global terrorism, but this is an issue that is not to be ignored at the same time. It is a growing problem in America and if we want to keep it under control we are going to have to watch it and make sure that it dosen't get out of hand.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

BACK TO ON TOPIC OR I WILL REQUEST THIS TO BE LOCKED IF IT DONT

I will not be locking a thread that has been hijacked by it's creator.

[STEED]

One thing is for sure in the UK, the middle class always suffer the most.

[Kapitan]

i beg to differ steed the government is only out to do over the poor people if you got money your fine, im due to come into a fair amount of inheritance some time soon i will have to pay 33% of it to the government because i will get the inheritance tax hit me which stands for me right now £122,308.

My nan and grandad built up the house i live in so it could be passed on through the family however due to this inheritance tax that is no way possible now it will have to be sold by the time ive paid off the taxes and what have you and found some where else to live il have naff all.

If your off sick at work you are bullied into going back because they dont want to pay you the benifits, and when they do cock up they still dont want to pay out.

It came to the point a few days ago where my mother went into the social security offices after hearing she needed to go back to work (which she cant doctors orders) she said well i will paint myself ****ing black will that help get my claim ? (no offence to anyone intended here mearly repeating her exact words)

Theres been a whole new complex built near me but its not for english people its for forigners only, which gives the impression the government is saying **** you english people we will bring a load of imigrants to england and pay them for staying here.

I know a woman who came here a few years ago she was immediatly housed in a 3 bedroom house to which she complained so she got a bigger 4 bedroom house the government paid that, then she put in for a claim for a car she got £5000 of tax payers money, she herself claims all the benifits she gets around £300 a week her husband also claims he gets just £175 though and they both work 16 hours a week the maximum so in total they dont pay tax and they get working family tax credits.

That is just sick we have english people homeless dying starving and yet we are handing all our good money to some one who cant be botherd to get off thier fat arses and do some work.

Im not rich and nor is my girl friend far from it between us we pay nearly £375 tax per month and the abve mentioned people coin in around £500 a week tax free so mr blair how the **** does that work?

i some times struggle to make ends meet no lie to any one there cant afford to pay a phone bill at the moment let alone think about getting a mortgauge, mr blair has well and truely ****ed us over no wonder the NHS and pensions have gone to the ****ing swanney its cause he would rather give it to some lazy ****ing immigrants.

Sorry about the swearing.

[loynokid]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

its a growing problem in America and Canada, my dad said if it keeps going at the rate it is theres gonna be Very rich class, and unemployed class, then there will be violence and maybe worst case scenario revolution

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/41192/

I really doubt that we would have a revolution because of illegal aliens... do you have any facts to back it up

[STEED]

Kap, the bulk of this country is middle class and always been used as a sponge by the government of the day, it always comes down to this. The government hardly touch the rich and as for the poor they got nothing so who pays the price in the UK? The middle class always has and always will.

Looking at the bigger picture 80% of the running of this country is dictated from the EU and in less than 20 years this country will be finished. The EU will finally control this country and I dread to think what life will be like under those corrupt swine.

Originally Posted by STEED

Kap, the bulk of this country is middle class and always been used as a sponge by the government of the day, it always comes down to this. The government hardly touch the rich and as for the poor they got nothing so who pays the price in the UK? The middle class always has and always will.

Looking at the bigger picture 80% of the running of this country is dictated from the EU and in less than 20 years this country will be finished. The EU will finally control this country and I dread to think what life will be like under those corrupt swine.

Why are you so afraid of the EU? The EU only has your best interest at heart.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Why are you so afraid of the EU? The EU only has your best interest at heart.

The end of the UK sliced and diced by the EU and it's coming, the only question is when?