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03-27-23, 03:15 PM | #5446 |
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^ You are not in Ukraine. But (including Europe's 'stand') isn't it convenient to let others fight the war.
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03-27-23, 04:05 PM | #5447 | |
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Sure it’s convenient. But still doesn’t answer what the hell our objective is.
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03-27-23, 05:19 PM | #5448 |
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someone been training them since 2014 and it hadn't just been cia they wasn't pull out until the invasion but i bet they are in there again including our specs ops but then most of europe dont pull their own weight if it wasn't for the old USA you guys be kissing putnuts feet except UK
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03-27-23, 05:31 PM | #5449 |
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^ sure makes you proud to believe that, of course the US are doing a lot to help Ukraine now. Not that some in the US really want that, obviously.
For what I heard the sorry rest of the CIA got it's a$$ out of Ukraine in 2014 so fast no one heard the echo, they did a real Yanukovich. Germany was sleeping and had the grand illusion that the time for wars were over, and had a rough awakening – some are not even awake here now. But the great five eyes and their humongous system of spies and world power talk seem not to have seen this coming, just like the sleeping rest in Europe.
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03-27-23, 05:38 PM | #5450 | |
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03-27-23, 07:45 PM | #5451 |
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I don’t think the CIA left Ukraine. In fact Brennan visited Kiev a month after Russia annexed Crimea. Unfortunately those that know why ain’t tellin’. But some have said it was to assist Ukraine and share intel.
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03-28-23, 05:42 AM | #5452 |
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https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=5437 I think the source is not suspicious of being lefty.
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03-28-23, 05:52 AM | #5453 | ||
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03-28-23, 07:58 AM | #5454 |
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Biden is seriously underestimated, still. He is not one bit less "American interest first" than Republican conservatives. And he seems to understand the described links between supporting Ukraine and preparing against China. The aid he agreed to give is little compared to the US defence budget, and obviously is aimed at maximising losses and costs on Russia - not necessarily aimed at enabling Ukraine to "win". If the Ukraine'S victory were the objective: this could already have been achieved by now. Obviously, the fate of Ukraine and the price it has to pay for the American policy of not giving enough to win and too much to die, pays surprisingly little role in America's Ukraine policy. So far its about extending the war to weaken Russia further. That is the objective. Ukraine itself has surprisingly little to do with that.
----- Germany should dismantle its Bundeswehr. Its not good for anythign. Hand over all Bundeswehr equipment - vehicles, weapons, ammo, EVERYTHING - to the Ukraine. we are surrounded by nations none of which we must fear wants to attack us any time soon. And we are not only unable but also unwilling to make any use of all that material stuff anyway, so... The Ukraine would deliver decisive blows to Russia with all that stuff. And Germany then could spend the next lets say 15 to 20 years with rebuilding its military from scratch, like after WW2. Making things better this way, and hopefull avoiding the mistakes of the last 30 years. What the BW is today is of use for nobody, and costs only money. Okay, we'll keep the guard battalion that has to stand guard at diplomatic receptions - at least until it's relieved by the first uniformed operetta group of the feminist action front.
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03-28-23, 08:02 AM | #5455 |
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The problem being....Germany probably wouldn't bother rebuilding her forces
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03-28-23, 08:37 AM | #5456 |
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No problem, our Greens and lefts want development aid to third world countries being counted as regular defence spendings. Serious. That way we can easily achieve a 3+ % defence budget without buying a single rifle.
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03-28-23, 10:38 AM | #5458 | |
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After if that wasn't a concern and we really wanted them to win then we could just give the Ukrainians a few nuclear weapons.
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03-28-23, 05:29 PM | #5459 |
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that the thing people shooting their mouths off about US not wanting Ukraine to win but all their countries are sitting on the John Either take the lead or get off the pot,this is a europe problem not a US problem do i want Ukraine to win yep but at the same time i don't care either way,right now we have a moron with his head up his butt messing up the border and everything else
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