More aircrafts to DCS: Korea?

[eddie]

[Minoslas]

ED don´t force to the Partners or 3rd Party to a exclusive time periods, they free to build as you like.

The actual tendences has show a moving to the WW2 period (remember, P-51D has no alone, Fw-190D-9 was release some days ago). Others periods can be boost in the future with new projects and Teatres with the EDGE release and the SDK.

The "actual" plan release date of 2014/2015 (ED forum / present day)
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893

Release date List:
2014
-Mig-21Bis 1.2.9X (Aug 2014) Leatherneck
-Hawk T.M1 1.2.9X (Aug/Sep 2014) VEAO
-AH-1G (Late 2014) Belsimtek
-Su-27 AFM (Fall 2014) ED
-Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 (Oct 2014) ED
-Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX (Dec 2014) ED
-Curtiss P-40F KittyHawk (Dec 2014) VEAO
-L-39 Albatros ZA/ZO (Late 2014) Albatros Team
-L-39 Albatros C (Late 2014) Albatros Team
-EDGE 2.0.0 (Late 2014) ED
-NTTR Nevada 2.0.0? (Late 2014) ED

2015
-Grumman F8F Bearcat – (Feb 2015) VEAO
-Republic P-47D-30 Thunderbolt (Mar 2015) ED
-Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV (Abr 2015) VEAO
-Normandy Theater with Period AI Units (May 2015) ED
-HA-1112 Buchon (May 2015) VEAO
-Short Tucano (July 2015) VEAO
-Grob G115E Tutor (July 2015) VEAO
-Eurofighter (Q2 2015) VEAO
-Hawker Typhoon – Q3 2015 VEAO

That list can change / update with the time.

[Oberon]

I think the thing needed a lot at the moment is new theatres, but I think that most people are holding back until EDGE is released, hopefully tools for map generation for 3rd party companies will be released with it, that would make the most sense.

[Schroeder]

@Minoslas
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on you or the game I just think it could achieve so much more with more coordinated effort.
When I go through your list for example I'm not really excited, I'll show you why:
Release date List:
2014
-Mig-21Bis 1.2.9X (Aug 2014) Leatherneck has no proper use in any modern scenario
-Hawk T.M1 1.2.9X (Aug/Sep 2014) VEAO A Trainer with no proper use in any scenario
-AH-1G (Late 2014) Belsimtek So far the Huey gunner AI (which should be much simpler than an attack helicopter AI) is awful how is that supposed to work with an attack helicopter?
-Su-27 AFM (Fall 2014) ED
-Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4 (Oct 2014) ED
-Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX (Dec 2014) ED
-Curtiss P-40F KittyHawk (Dec 2014) VEAO
-L-39 Albatros ZA/ZO (Late 2014) Albatros Team A Trainer with no proper use in any scenario
-L-39 Albatros C (Late 2014) Albatros Team A Trainer with no proper use in any scenario
-EDGE 2.0.0 (Late 2014) ED
-NTTR Nevada 2.0.0? (Late 2014) ED A map with no proper use in any scenario except training

2015
-Grumman F8F Bearcat – (Feb 2015) VEAO A navy fighter that saw hardly any combat so it's of not much use for realistic scenarios
-Republic P-47D-30 Thunderbolt (Mar 2015) ED
-Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV (Abr 2015) VEAO
-Normandy Theater with Period AI Units (May 2015) ED
-HA-1112 Buchon (May 2015) VEAO A fighter that saw hardly any real combat so it's of not much use for realistic scenarios
-Short Tucano (July 2015) VEAO A Trainer with no proper use in any scenario
-Grob G115E Tutor (July 2015) VEAO A Trainer with no proper use in any scenario
-Eurofighter (Q2 2015) VEAO
-Hawker Typhoon – Q3 2015 VEAO

You see, almost 50% of these aircraft have no realistic purpose in this game. How many trainers do we actually need? What is the purpose of a trainer in a sim? A trainer is usually used to have an instructor teach a student how to fly. That can't be done properly in a sim so what are they good for and why so many? Besides I can crash as many combat aircraft as I like in a sim so I don't really need a "trainer" to graduate from.
What are we supposed to do in Nevada? Land on the strip of Las Vegas and gamble?
It's good to see that WWII is getting some attention, especially that ground objects and a map are involved as well. That is a huge step in the right direction because planes are one thing but missing ground objects can still kill a scenario so kudos for that, but WWII has been done a hundred times over by other flight sims and I was hoping to finally get something for those campaigns which aren't covered by good sims yet: Vietnam and Korea....But hey, what I want is irrelevant and if the majority wants WWII then WWII is the way to go to generate income for further development.

Again, I think DCS aircraft are the best we have right now but a lot of attention just dies because it's so damn difficult to really build interesting scenarios with what we have which also shows in the less than stellar selection of multi-player servers. Most of them run weapons training missions. We'll properly get some good WWII action in the future though so I'm looking forward for that.
Again, you guys are doing a great job, it's just that it hurts me to see so much good go to waste because of the lack of focus.

[Oberon]

I wouldn't knock the 21 too much, it's still in service with quite a few nations, including Romania (just), and Bulgaria. Fair points on the others though, especially the trainers, but what I suspect is that they have been chosen because it's easier to get access to them than it is to get access to modern front line military aircraft.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I wouldn't knock the 21 too much, it's still in service with quite a few nations, including Romania (just), and Bulgaria. Fair points on the others though, especially the trainers, but what I suspect is that they have been chosen because it's easier to get access to them than it is to get access to modern front line military aircraft.

The 21 is like the Huey. They are Aircraft that are at the very end of their useful life and mostly retired by now. Some are still going strong but they are hardly state of the art anymore. Both aircraft are at their best in a Vietnam or 70ies-80ies scenario. Hence my hope to see some Vietnam action in the future but that would require a lot more aircraft and of course a proper map.
Same is true for the F86 and the MiG 15 which got their fame in Korea. The only realistic scenario right now would be a border clash in Europe in the mid 50ies as far as maps go. But for that we don't have the right ground objects so missions will always be fake workarounds were some equipment has to be replaced by modern stuff....

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

The 21 is like the Huey. They are Aircraft that are at the very end of their useful life and mostly retired by now. Some are still going strong but they are hardly state of the art anymore. Both aircraft are at their best in a Vietnam or 70ies-80ies scenario. Hence my hope to see some Vietnam action in the future but that would require a lot more aircraft and of course a proper map.
Same is true for the F86 and the MiG 15 which got their fame in Korea. The only realistic scenario right now would be a border clash in Europe in the mid 50ies as far as maps go. But for that we don't have the right ground objects so missions will always be fake workarounds were some equipment has to be replaced by modern stuff....

Oh agreed, they're not top of the line vehicles that's for certain but they are still in service nevertheless and can make for an interesting 'underdog' scenario where the odds are stacked against you. MiG-21 vs F-15 for example, or so forth. However, the ground objects and theatre issue is definite one that needs looking at, I mean there's some old gear in service that still counts, AAA trucks and the like, but terrain...yeah, you can't really pretend that Kiev is downtown Hanoi...even if they've both spent a not insignificant amount of time on fire.