DCS Black Shark - Page 15

Arclight · 08-27-10, 10:58 AM

How about picking 1 day a week to do some basic stuff? Just some "shooting range" type missions, maybe bit of adversarial; might be fun creeping about and sniping each other with Vikhrs.

Just some practice, interactive training.

Dowly · 08-27-10, 11:02 AM

ArmA, Blackshark and TLD (in our case) spanned around one week. Gonna be a tough one.

Arclight · 08-27-10, 11:40 AM

And the Waffles, of course.

keltos01 · 06-14-11, 05:29 AM

are there any other helo playable in Black Shark ?

I was wondering if the Hind was at all playable ? I remember a helo sim called Hind a while back, but since here there are so many helo models including the hind...

keltos

Raptor1 · 06-14-11, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keltos01

are there any other helo playable in Black Shark ?

I was wondering if the Hind was at all playable ? I remember a helo sim called Hind a while back, but since here there are so many helo models including the hind...

keltos

Nope, each DCS game focuses only on a single platform, so Black Shark only has the Ka-50 and A-10C only has...well, the A-10C...

keltos01 · 06-15-11, 12:09 AM

ok thanks

I might just try the black shark, though the A-10 is my favorite aircraft along with the SU-25....

keltos

Dowly · 06-15-11, 06:32 AM

Question: Is damage to the rudder NOT modelled in DCS:BS?

The reason I'm asking is because a quite large portion of my tail may or may
have not fallen off while I was flying and the only noticeable effect it had was
slight instability. Hammerhead, spinning in place, everything worked as if
major chunk of my tail wasn't a pile of junk metal laying on the runway.

Arclight · 06-15-11, 09:10 AM

Most of the force is generated by the twin-rotor discs.

Helos with 1 disc need a tail rotor to keep them from spinning right? Instead, Ka-50 uses a counter-rotating secondary rotor disc. They cancel each other out normally (almost, hence the need to trim rudder) but that force can be varied to spin the thing around.

Dowly · 06-15-11, 09:35 AM

Well, yeah, I get that. I just thought it would have had more impact to the
controls than that.

I shall continue my experiments.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-15-11, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

a pile of junk metal laying on the runway.

You called

Dowly · 06-15-11, 10:54 AM

Dowly · 06-15-11, 12:10 PM

See, this what I mean it being in pretty much the same control as without the tailfin:

Apart from the slight wobbliness, only other thing I noted was it's tendency to go nose down after a particularly tight turn (such as hammerhead).

Then I proceeded to mop the concrete with the Kamov, it started to show signs of caring when the whole tail section dropped off.

Arclight · 06-15-11, 01:31 PM

Er, looks fine to me. What was your max speed through that run? Don't think the tail rudder even does much untill 70-80KPH. Pretty sure not having to swing the mass of the tail around, and that vertical area not producing any drag as you do so, will actually make it easier to turn.

Dowly · 06-15-11, 02:00 PM

Umm... top speed was probably 140-150kph around the time I passed the tower in side-slip.

But this all begs the question: What the hell does the rudder input do? Well, apart from moving the rudder obviously.

Arclight · 06-15-11, 02:10 PM

Give a little extra authority, I guess. The tail is there primarily to stabilize flight. The faster you go, the stronger the forces. So at high speed the bit of extra force from the tail rudder comes in handy in deflecting the tail, even if only for trimming.

08-27-10, 10:58 AM	#211
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	How about picking 1 day a week to do some basic stuff? Just some "shooting range" type missions, maybe bit of adversarial; might be fun creeping about and sniping each other with Vikhrs. Just some practice, interactive training. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-27-10, 11:40 AM	#213
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	And the Waffles, of course. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-14-11, 05:29 AM	#214
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	are there any other helo playable in Black Shark ? I was wondering if the Hind was at all playable ? I remember a helo sim called Hind a while back, but since here there are so many helo models including the hind... keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

06-15-11, 12:09 AM	#216
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	ok thanks I might just try the black shark, though the A-10 is my favorite aircraft along with the SU-25.... keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

06-15-11, 09:10 AM	#218
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Most of the force is generated by the twin-rotor discs. Helos with 1 disc need a tail rotor to keep them from spinning right? Instead, Ka-50 uses a counter-rotating secondary rotor disc. They cancel each other out normally (almost, hence the need to trim rudder) but that force can be varied to spin the thing around. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-27-10, 11:02 AM	#212
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	ArmA, Blackshark and TLD (in our case) spanned around one week. Gonna be a tough one.

06-15-11, 06:32 AM	#217
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Question: Is damage to the rudder NOT modelled in DCS:BS? The reason I'm asking is because a quite large portion of my tail may or may have not fallen off while I was flying and the only noticeable effect it had was slight instability. Hammerhead, spinning in place, everything worked as if major chunk of my tail wasn't a pile of junk metal laying on the runway.

06-15-11, 09:35 AM	#219
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Well, yeah, I get that. I just thought it would have had more impact to the controls than that. I shall continue my experiments.

06-15-11, 10:54 AM	#221
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0

06-15-11, 12:10 PM	#222
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	See, this what I mean it being in pretty much the same control as without the tailfin: Apart from the slight wobbliness, only other thing I noted was it's tendency to go nose down after a particularly tight turn (such as hammerhead). Then I proceeded to mop the concrete with the Kamov, it started to show signs of caring when the whole tail section dropped off.

06-15-11, 01:31 PM	#223
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Er, looks fine to me. What was your max speed through that run? Don't think the tail rudder even does much untill 70-80KPH. Pretty sure not having to swing the mass of the tail around, and that vertical area not producing any drag as you do so, will actually make it easier to turn. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

06-15-11, 02:00 PM	#224
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Umm... top speed was probably 140-150kph around the time I passed the tower in side-slip. But this all begs the question: What the hell does the rudder input do? Well, apart from moving the rudder obviously.

06-15-11, 02:10 PM	#225
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Give a little extra authority, I guess. The tail is there primarily to stabilize flight. The faster you go, the stronger the forces. So at high speed the bit of extra force from the tail rudder comes in handy in deflecting the tail, even if only for trimming. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

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