Republicans Believe Illegal Immigration 'Should be a Crime'

[mookiemookie]

I'm really conflicted about the whole situation. I used to be in the hardcore "kick them all out" camp. I've done a bit of research and reading and found that the economics of illegal immigration make that position shaky. In a pure supply and demand sense, imagine if you took away a large amount of the supply of labor - the remaining labor would become more expensive. While it's true we have a lot of people out of work in this country, a lot of the people out of work are highly skilled and highly educated and they would not be a one for one replacement of the supply of cheap illegal labor. Cheap labor costs keep the cost of many goods and services in this country low. If the cost of labor inputs increase, firms will be forced to increase the cost to the end consumer.

As I said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. If you bring the illegals into the system and move away from under the table pay, then we've just increased our tax base substantially. That's got to be a positive.

I think we need a two pronged approach - something that both political parties seem to lack. We should identify the places where our immigration laws need streamlining in addition to stricter enforcement of immigration laws and border control. Reliance on cheap labor is a reality in this country, and any solution needs to recognize that.

It's late, I'm sleepy and rambling. Carry on.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I'm really conflicted about the whole situation. I used to be in the hardcore "kick them all out" camp. I've done a bit of research and reading and found that the economics of illegal immigration make that position shaky. In a pure supply and demand sense, imagine if you took away a large amount of the supply of labor - the remaining labor would become more expensive. While it's true we have a lot of people out of work in this country, a lot of the people out of work are highly skilled and highly educated and they would not be a one for one replacement of the supply of cheap illegal labor. Cheap labor costs keep the cost of many goods and services in this country low. If the cost of labor inputs increase, firms will be forced to increase the cost to the end consumer.

As I said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. If you bring the illegals into the system and move away from under the table pay, then we've just increased our tax base substantially. That's got to be a positive.

I think we need a two pronged approach - something that both political parties seem to lack. We should identify the places where our immigration laws need streamlining in addition to stricter enforcement of immigration laws and border control. Reliance on cheap labor is a reality in this country, and any solution needs to recognize that.

It's late, I'm sleepy and rambling. Carry on.

We dont need cheap labor from illegals. there are PLENTY of teenagers who need money to pay for the INTENSE increase of tuition.

Illegals are sucking this country. In a monetary sense, they are a parasite. They are PLENTY of illegals getting free health care, free taxes, fake drivers licenses, and some getting FREE tuition.

And BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS is SHIPPED BACK TO MEXICO AND OTHER COUNTRIES. The mexican government and other latin countries are basically teaching illegals how to get passed our borders and live a free life here so they can send back billions of dollars to their governments. Resorts even advertise labor vacations so they can have a baby here while their pregnant and get a free ticket to citizenship.


They need to GO. RIGHT now. No dam amnesty. let our teenagers get the jobs so they can pay for their tuition. Let american CITIZENS get the jobs so they can drive the unemployment down again.

I admire why there here. They want a piece of the american dream too. Their countries are poverty stricken. It sucks to live there. But dragging this country down with them is not acceptable and they need to GO.

Its not like any other country in the world allows anywhere NEAR the amnesty we do on a daily basis. Remember those hikers? No amnesty for them. The mexican government wont give any mercy to illegals living there.

so why should we not do the same? because our politicians are bought and paid for and are afraid of being called racists because the illegals have nothing to fall back on. NO argument. so they pull out the race card and all goes well. look how arizona got harrassed because it was TIRED of the ridiculous illegal immigration problem.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

We dont need cheap labor from illegals. there are PLENTY of teenagers who need money to pay for the INTENSE increase of tuition.

Just try to find one. I literally could not pay any of the teenagers in my neighbourhood to mow my lawn. I was offering up to $50.00 to mow what grass I have left on my puny 1/3 acre lot (House takes up about 2/3rds of that). No interest.


Perhaps it is different where you live, but in North Virginia, teenagers don't do manual labour. The closest they will ever get is working the back warehouse at Safeway and even then the turn-over at the Safeway where I live is measured in weeks.

I am just not buying the myth that undocumented aliens are taking jobs away from good ole Americans. I just don't see Americans, these days, doing that sort of work.

And as an American, I really don't want to pay the salaries that Americans would expect for manual labour.

My solution has always been to make it easier for them to become citizens. Anyone who wants to come to my country and work hard, I am welcoming them with open arms.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Just try to find one. I literally could not pay any of the teenagers in my neighbourhood to mow my lawn. I was offering up to $50.00 to mow what grass I have left on my puny 1/3 acre lot (House takes up about 2/3rds of that). No interest.


Perhaps it is different where you live, but in North Virginia, teenagers don't do manual labour. The closest they will ever get is working the back warehouse at Safeway and even then the turn-over at the Safeway where I live is measured in weeks.

I am just not buying the myth that undocumented aliens are taking jobs away from good ole Americans. I just don't see Americans, these days, doing that sort of work.

And as an American, I really don't want to pay the salaries that Americans would expect for manual labour.

My solution has always been to make it easier for them to become citizens. Anyone who wants to come to my country and work hard, I am welcoming them with open arms.

$50 !?
holy crap, what the hell is wrong with these kids?
i would have jumped at the chance to earn $50 that easily

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Morts

$50 !?
holy crap, what the hell is wrong with these kids?
i would have jumped at the chance to earn $50 that easily

For $50.00 I would mow my neighbours lawn!! And I hate mowing lawns, but I like $50.00 more.

And just try to get any American Teenager to shovel snow! It is like you are asking them to give up a kidney and not get an Ipod2.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

We dont need cheap labor from illegals. there are PLENTY of teenagers who need money to pay for the INTENSE increase of tuition.

Have you ever spent time in an agricultural field? Do you know what's involved in doing that sort of work? I wouldn't wish that torture on my children.

from January to June, California farmers posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents. But only 233 people in those categories applied after learning of the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona.

One grower brought on 36. No one else hired any.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/0...want-farm-work

Doesn't sound like kids, or anyone else for that matter, are lining up for illegal immigrant jobs.

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Resorts even advertise labor vacations so they can have a baby here while their pregnant and get a free ticket to citizenship.

Link please? Since having a baby on U.S. soil is no insurance against deportation, I'd love to see these advertisements. A child born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents has to be 21 before they can sponsor citizenship for the parents, AND the parent has to show that they have not been in the country illegally for more than a year. That ticket to citizenship isn't as free as you make it out to be.