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So...why do you guys seem to go to bat to defend the wealthy? Do you think they became that way by being nice? On balance, do you think they care about you?
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I can stay out of the Mall-Wart easily as there isn't one in my county.
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Ducimus, if walmart didn't do it, the net would have, frankly.
The market is the market. I don't shop walmart, but what was the alternative, BANNING walmart? Mom and pop needed to evolve or lose. Those that have weathered walmart—least here in NM—seem to be doing well. They picked a sub market, and deliver better products and service since they cannot hope to compete on mass produced stuff (and crap) with price point. Price is all that matters for MANY consumers, but there are enough that want quality that mom and pop can survive, IMO, and long as their goal isn't to fight walmart's fight. IMO the stores done in by walmart were selling the same crap that walmart sells, only for a lot more money. Why is it better for consumers to pay more for CRAP? ![]() Worse to me (since I don't shop walmart) was what REI did to all the local hiking/outdoor eqp stores. REI is OK, but they don't offer as much higher end stuff. We had 3-4 in ABQ, now only REI. There are 2 stores still in Santa Fe, and they have REI now, so we'll see how long they last. |
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This is where I put on my capitalist hat.
As a capitalist, I want the best quality for the lowest price. ![]() If a US company can't compete, too bad, so sad. As a capitalist, I am not going to pay more for less quality simply because it is "made in America". ![]() Buying a product with less quality and more expensive simply because it is an American company smacks of socialism. Sounds kinda harsh don't it. Well the next time someone is talking about how great capitalism is, remember that it was capitalism that shut down the American industries because we could get better stuff cheaper from overseas. This is why I am a moderate capitalist. Extremism in capitalism is not good for my country.
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Only valid if you jhave alternative and better jobs in needed quantities. Do you think people work in such jobs for fun? for some time, I worked amongst such people, and I therefore tell you that those working there did so becasue they had no other choice. There are not as many jobs anymore, and so many must take what they can get, even if it is miserable by working conditions and/or wages. the freedom you are claiming only exists where there is a sufficient diversity of jobs, and only low or no pressure by family realities in the background.
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Government needs to lay out baseline regulation and then get out of the way. Businesses need to conform to those regulations - and decide if they wish to foster additional community goodwill by going beyond them. People need to start taking responsibility for thier own actions instead of expecting government - or business - to provide for them out of some "moralistic duty".
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Low wages are a crime that leads far beyond the individual fate. They are a crime against society and a crime against the state, damaging both for the company's interest. The pattern was implemented by the government to encourage and legalise options for unemployed people to seek even bad jobs, hoping they would get regular contracts there sooner or later once they got a foot into the door and showed to work reliably, and so enabling them to leave social wellfare payments and live by their hand's work again. We now know that it does not work that way. that people find entrance into new regular working contracts by accepting to work for one Euro for some months, is not the rule, but a rare exception from the rule. The companies take the free offer for free working forces, fire their regular staff, create a higher number of low-wage-jobs and 1-Euro-jobs, and get their workload done and the txpayer financing the wages and the jobbing people earning to little to live too much to die. the get the same or even more work done, but pay much lesser wages, and sometimes almost none, externalsiing these costs and letting the taxpayer come up for it. that is the taxpayer that desperately tries to find a reasonably payed job and more and more often cannot find such a job (Neal'S big freedom utopia) and so has to work underpayed or even for the symbolic payment of a slave salery. working for a piece of sh!t, btw, also is criplling to a man'S self-assessment and dignity. I tell you that people get seriously sick from it, for sure. This is also something that statstics show very clearly. First comes the psychological fall, and than the phyysical consequence of that. I have done some badly payed, unpleasant jobs in my life. I needed the money and for the time being did not find better jobs. nobody tells me utopic nonsens about freedom of choice here. I am happy that now i have the luck and the freedom to have left this time behind. I say I had luck. Many have not. Implementing these new job schemes was both naive thinking by some politics and corrupted thinkling by other poltics with close ties to economic lobby groups, and it resulted in intentional massive abuse by employers with crushing damage for society. Quote:
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Why do you think this job pattern I described has been implemented? Do you think it was by independant "socialist" thinking? It was not. It was announced after months and years of massive economic lobbying and attempts to lower wages and additional costs (social insurrances), arguing that Germany needs lower wages in order to regain competitiveness. the winners here are according companies. The loosers are the employees, and the state itself. Germany'S middle class is shrinking, massively, due to two factors: shrinking effective incomes of the normal population, and rising costs for health and social insurrance. At the same time, the group of top earners with top incomes has become smaller, but since the individuals in this club earn more and more, more and more financial power and thus: influence is accumulated in this shrinking group at the top. More and more wealth and power in few and fewer hands. The social low class on the other hand is exploding in size. This together means: the state's financial fundament gets eroded, important things like education, universities, and thus creating a new generation of qualified experts for the high qualification jobs Germany claims to need can no longer be "supplied" since financial funding is missing. privbate households earn less and lesser real income to comepnsate for the state falling out of the suplly shceme by using their own money for education, for example - the real income of german households in the middleclass is shrinking since longer time, and the middleclass itself is shrinking, too. A growing social underclass means additional follow-up costs for health care due to bad education, meaning worse health conditions by for example unhealthy food habits (a massive factor, don't laugh, with food-related health issues we talk about a cost facor in the range of high billions). It means growing costs for maintaining even the already massively reduced social security net - ten years ago, that sector and the interest payments for it consummed one third of Germany's budget, today, only ten years later, it already consumes more than the half of the fiscal budget, although spendings per individual have been massively cut. Stressing the budget even more by inviting undiscriminatory migration of uneducated social low class families who the statistics now prove beyond any doubt to cause much more costs for germany than they contribute to the communal income and prosperity, does not help, of course. Now add the shrining population, the growing mean age, the shrinking abi8lity of the indiovudual to save money for the high age with the social system collapsing due to failing financial support, add the demographic change and the chnage in social and cultural structures by islamic migration, and finally the spiral into which world economy itself is falling, inetnsifying competition beyond what is constructive and vitalising for all. We cannot afford to maintain our high tech industries, specilies, well-educatedf acadmeical people leave germany in groiwng numbers (brain drain), and the Asians are flooding the world market with cheap mass püroduction and an insustry with low wages with which no wetsenr nation can comeote without seeing the population committing suicide. That's the recipe for national revolutions followed by big wars. We've been there, we go there again. Halleluja!
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"alternative and better jobs in needed quantities" is not Wal-Mart's problem.
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It comes as a shock to many of my younger students when they realize all that time they spent screwing off in public school has severely limited their career opportunities as an adult.
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And college!
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I wonder where they are, today? They could only play a certain card so much.
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![]() No company and no economy works and functions in a vacuum, disconnected from the social context that raised it, that funded it, built it and supported it. Total freedom of institutions or individuals only exist if said individuals or institutions exist all alone on a planet that they have all for themselves, with nobody else being there. Or in other words, this often made demand for total freedom - often is just a foul excuse for total egoism.
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