Somehow, I don't think "sorry, my bad" will cut it...

Harmzuay · 01-16-07, 03:59 PM

So, a couple of weeks ago in a career I've since abandoned (decided to start from scratch at 87% realism in 1939...me and my crew are gonna make it 'till 45, GWX and all...just you wait :p ) I'm sailing my VIIC slightly NNW off the coast of Spain when the Watch Officer starts hollerin' something about a ship. I jump onboard the deck, pull out the ol' binoculars, and have a look myself. Sure enough, there are two unescorted merchants waving French flags chuggin' towards me about 4km out. I head back into the sub and start sweating over the nav map. Soon enough, I've got their track plotted and, wouldn't you know it - a simple turn to port will put me about 700 meters from their track at almost 90 degrees. After the ship gets turned, I dive to around 14 meters, raise the periscope, and wait. The lead ship's a medium merchant followed closely by a smaller cousin - one torp should be sufficient for both. I set my first two tubes for impact detonation at about three, three and a half meters. Soon enough, the lead ship crosses the reticle, and the first fish is in the ocean. Just as the first torp smacks dead center below the lead ship's smoke stack, the second merchant waltzes into view. Second fish is away, and the poor guy futily tries to perform evasive maneuvers - no dice, the second hit is as beautiful as the first. I order the boat to the surface and start running parallel to them, just in case they need a little extra encouragement from the deck gun. Only a few minutes later, and it's pretty obvious that neither ship's going to need any more of a beating, so I decide to save some shells, and tell the nav officer to continue on our course to the patrol area.

It's around this time, as I'm standing on the deck watching the two merchants slowly dipping beneath the waves, I start thinkin', "damn, that was too easy." The next thing I did was faceplant into my desk. It's late 1941 - France has been out of the war for a while, and her ships are considered neutral. Hell, I'm based out of a French port. Err....woops.

I'm not so sure an apology's going to fix this one. Maybe I shouldn't drink so much before I go out on patrols...:rotfl:

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-16-07, 04:05 PM

Good one, really good story. Sheets happen to be blank (or what the English use to say in suchmoments...). Thanks for it.

Gezoes · 01-16-07, 05:52 PM

Good one

I'll share one. I once picked up a sluggish noise in the fog at 270 degrees. I had been in a storm on and off for a week, chased by planes and DD's. My beard was growing into the aft torpedo room. I backed up a bit, saw what looked like a big liner, cheered

, and fired a spread of eels.

Then I saw the Red Cross

Fortunately, in GWX, they carry, beautiful, deck lights and all. Quite a sight too!

Zero Niner · 01-16-07, 08:16 PM

Lol. Reminds me of the time I attacked a Dutch ship (neutral at that time) thinking it was a French - you know, blue white & red tricolour. Except that the Dutch flag has them horizontal whilst the French one is vertical.
To compound matters, it was my son who made the observation.
"Dad, is Holland an enemy yet?"
"No, why?"
"Then why are you attacking a Dutch ship?"

Fortunately I was surfaced & using the deck gun, so the damage wasn't too bad.

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-16-07, 08:32 PM

When I started with SH3 manual plotting was I think my biggest problem that made me not sleep a few nights in a row well... I _always_ missed. And I mean it.

This time close to the French coast I spotted a TUG boat, so I attacked it obviously. On that time I was practising aft torpedo shots, so I took position so that the boat was at my 6 (180 deg) after tons of plotting the target course and speed. Rose my scope, observed it last time and then LOSS!

- Wait a minute - I whispered to my First - gimme the flags sheet fast! What is that flag she has on her?
- It's Dutch I think, sir! - he reported.
- What? Please, tell me that we are in state of war with Netherlands...
- No, sir. - He answered a bit shy... - At least that was not reported by BdU yet! - Added a bit louder.

And then a hit. In the very middle of the boat. My first aft torpedo hit in SH3 ever.

Gildor · 01-17-07, 12:19 PM

I ran across 3 merchants and an armed trawler somewhere nw of Spain in late 1941. I identified the flag as a white field with a blue cross. I looked at my recog manual and they were Finish. I left them alone as they are not listed on the "Enemys of Germany" list. The problem was they were just sitting there. Thankfully, it was daylight and I saw the flags. If it had been at night, and also considering the fact that they didn't have running lights blazing away, I might of actually shot them. (AFAIK via message, I think the standing order is to shoot any ships without running lights at night?) It doesn't seem fair to lose renown if the ships are neutral but darkened.

I "accidently" sank a French merchant that turned out to be neutral as well.

AVGWarhawk · 01-17-07, 12:39 PM

All you can say is "Did I do that?"

Sheerin · 01-17-07, 01:18 PM

During my last patrol just north of Port of Spain I sank two T3 tankers. THe only problem was they were US flagged and it was November of 1941.

After this experience I started thinking about manipulating the cfg file and making it so that sinking a neutral doesn't cost renown (or earn renown for that matter), would that be considered cheating?

bigboywooly · 01-17-07, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheerin

During my last patrol just north of Port of Spain I sank two T3 tankers. THe only problem was they were US flagged and it was November of 1941.

After this experience I started thinking about manipulating the cfg file and making it so that sinking a neutral doesn't cost renown (or earn renown for that matter), would that be considered cheating?

Hi and welcome to Subsim
How you play your game is entirely up to you
I leave the negative renown in
That way I have to check and if I get it wrong I am penalised

Sometimes I hit a neutral in the middle of a convoy and have to take it on the chin
If I knew there would be no loss of renoun I wouldnt worry about what I sunk

Nearly attacked a neutral convoy the other day
Got into a close position in the end and could see the lights
Would have been a huge hit if sank the lot - no escorts

melnibonian · 01-17-07, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheerin

During my last patrol just north of Port of Spain I sank two T3 tankers. THe only problem was they were US flagged and it was November of 1941.

After this experience I started thinking about manipulating the cfg file and making it so that sinking a neutral doesn't cost renown (or earn renown for that matter), would that be considered cheating?

Cheating is different from person to person. If you feel that by editing the cfg files you will have more fun in your game, go forth and do it. It's just a game and it's all about having fun

Enjoy it and sink them all

Sheerin · 01-17-07, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melnibonian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheerin

During my last patrol just north of Port of Spain I sank two T3 tankers. THe only problem was they were US flagged and it was November of 1941.

After this experience I started thinking about manipulating the cfg file and making it so that sinking a neutral doesn't cost renown (or earn renown for that matter), would that be considered cheating?

Cheating is different from person to person. If you feel that by editing the cfg files you will have more fun in your game, go forth and do it. It's just a game and it's all about having fun

Enjoy it and sink them all

True, I suppose. Though I'd like to remain as true to the simulation as possible. Would a uboat commander have been penalized for sinking a non-friendly neutral ship?

bigboywooly · 01-17-07, 01:46 PM

The USA he would have , more than likely
Hitler was desperately trying to avoid the States joining in so US targets were def off limits
Plenty of other neutrals were sunk during the war
Early on if suspected of carrying contraband as governed by the prize rules
Later by virtue of being in an escorted convoy

Sheerin · 01-17-07, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

The USA he would have , more than likely
Hitler was desperately trying to avoid the States joining in so US targets were def off limits
Plenty of other neutrals were sunk during the war
Early on if suspected of carrying contraband as governed by the prize rules
Later by virtue of being in an escorted convoy

dang. I suppose I'm off to the Eastern front now...

bigboywooly · 01-17-07, 02:05 PM

Sink a few real enemies
That should make uncle Karl forget about your mishap

melnibonian · 01-17-07, 02:18 PM

BBW is correct here. There are so many enemy ships in the seas you don't have to hunt down the neutrals. I know it can get frustrating to patrol for days and see only neutrals but that's realism for you

01-16-07, 03:59 PM	#1
Harmzuay Nub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Somehow, I don't think "sorry, my bad" will cut it... So, a couple of weeks ago in a career I've since abandoned (decided to start from scratch at 87% realism in 1939...me and my crew are gonna make it 'till 45, GWX and all...just you wait :p ) I'm sailing my VIIC slightly NNW off the coast of Spain when the Watch Officer starts hollerin' something about a ship. I jump onboard the deck, pull out the ol' binoculars, and have a look myself. Sure enough, there are two unescorted merchants waving French flags chuggin' towards me about 4km out. I head back into the sub and start sweating over the nav map. Soon enough, I've got their track plotted and, wouldn't you know it - a simple turn to port will put me about 700 meters from their track at almost 90 degrees. After the ship gets turned, I dive to around 14 meters, raise the periscope, and wait. The lead ship's a medium merchant followed closely by a smaller cousin - one torp should be sufficient for both. I set my first two tubes for impact detonation at about three, three and a half meters. Soon enough, the lead ship crosses the reticle, and the first fish is in the ocean. Just as the first torp smacks dead center below the lead ship's smoke stack, the second merchant waltzes into view. Second fish is away, and the poor guy futily tries to perform evasive maneuvers - no dice, the second hit is as beautiful as the first. I order the boat to the surface and start running parallel to them, just in case they need a little extra encouragement from the deck gun. Only a few minutes later, and it's pretty obvious that neither ship's going to need any more of a beating, so I decide to save some shells, and tell the nav officer to continue on our course to the patrol area. It's around this time, as I'm standing on the deck watching the two merchants slowly dipping beneath the waves, I start thinkin', "damn, that was too easy." The next thing I did was faceplant into my desk. It's late 1941 - France has been out of the war for a while, and her ships are considered neutral. Hell, I'm based out of a French port. Err....woops. I'm not so sure an apology's going to fix this one. Maybe I shouldn't drink so much before I go out on patrols...:rotfl:

01-16-07, 04:05 PM	#2
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	Good one, really good story. Sheets happen to be blank (or what the English use to say in suchmoments...). Thanks for it. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-16-07, 05:52 PM	#3
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Good one I'll share one. I once picked up a sluggish noise in the fog at 270 degrees. I had been in a storm on and off for a week, chased by planes and DD's. My beard was growing into the aft torpedo room. I backed up a bit, saw what looked like a big liner, cheered , and fired a spread of eels. Then I saw the Red Cross Fortunately, in GWX, they carry, beautiful, deck lights and all. Quite a sight too! __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

01-16-07, 08:32 PM	#5
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	When I started with SH3 manual plotting was I think my biggest problem that made me not sleep a few nights in a row well... I _always_ missed. And I mean it. This time close to the French coast I spotted a TUG boat, so I attacked it obviously. On that time I was practising aft torpedo shots, so I took position so that the boat was at my 6 (180 deg) after tons of plotting the target course and speed. Rose my scope, observed it last time and then LOSS! - Wait a minute - I whispered to my First - gimme the flags sheet fast! What is that flag she has on her? - It's Dutch I think, sir! - he reported. - What? Please, tell me that we are in state of war with Netherlands... - No, sir. - He answered a bit shy... - At least that was not reported by BdU yet! - Added a bit louder. And then a hit. In the very middle of the boat. My first aft torpedo hit in SH3 ever. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-17-07, 12:19 PM	#6
Gildor Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 251 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I ran across 3 merchants and an armed trawler somewhere nw of Spain in late 1941. I identified the flag as a white field with a blue cross. I looked at my recog manual and they were Finish. I left them alone as they are not listed on the "Enemys of Germany" list. The problem was they were just sitting there. Thankfully, it was daylight and I saw the flags. If it had been at night, and also considering the fact that they didn't have running lights blazing away, I might of actually shot them. (AFAIK via message, I think the standing order is to shoot any ships without running lights at night?) It doesn't seem fair to lose renown if the ships are neutral but darkened. I "accidently" sank a French merchant that turned out to be neutral as well. __________________ U-46: Oct 1943 off Portugal

01-16-07, 08:16 PM	#4
Zero Niner Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,033 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Lol. Reminds me of the time I attacked a Dutch ship (neutral at that time) thinking it was a French - you know, blue white & red tricolour. Except that the Dutch flag has them horizontal whilst the French one is vertical. To compound matters, it was my son who made the observation. "Dad, is Holland an enemy yet?" "No, why?" "Then why are you attacking a Dutch ship?" Fortunately I was surfaced & using the deck gun, so the damage wasn't too bad.

01-17-07, 12:39 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	All you can say is "Did I do that?" __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-17-07, 01:18 PM	#8
Sheerin Watch Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	During my last patrol just north of Port of Spain I sank two T3 tankers. THe only problem was they were US flagged and it was November of 1941. After this experience I started thinking about manipulating the cfg file and making it so that sinking a neutral doesn't cost renown (or earn renown for that matter), would that be considered cheating?

01-17-07, 01:46 PM	#12
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The USA he would have , more than likely Hitler was desperately trying to avoid the States joining in so US targets were def off limits Plenty of other neutrals were sunk during the war Early on if suspected of carrying contraband as governed by the prize rules Later by virtue of being in an escorted convoy __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-17-07, 02:05 PM	#14
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Sink a few real enemies That should make uncle Karl forget about your mishap __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-17-07, 02:18 PM	#15
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	BBW is correct here. There are so many enemy ships in the seas you don't have to hunt down the neutrals. I know it can get frustrating to patrol for days and see only neutrals but that's realism for you __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian