Equal justice for all is out the window...

SUBMAN1 · 04-29-09, 08:29 PM

And people say special interest is not taking over this country....

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopN...53S8IM20090429

Now we have special rights for Mexicans to Muslims. If you are white, male, and an upstanding citizen, criminals get a reduced sentence for attacking you, assaulting you, robbing you. If you are gay, female, black, or Muslim, they get double the sentence.

Welcome to the special interest country of America! The land of the decreasingly free! The land that used to be! The land that is at its end.....

-S

GoldenRivet · 04-29-09, 09:14 PM

They wont survive to get sentences if it were me.

but this special interest stuff is major league bull sh*t

UnderseaLcpl · 04-29-09, 09:57 PM

Well it's nice to know that violent crimes against W.A.S.P.S. aren't commited out of hate. I guess we're just that swell

Max2147 · 04-29-09, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Well it's nice to know that violent crimes against W.A.S.P.S. aren't commited out of hate. I guess we're just that swell

Where does the law say that crimes against WASPs can't be hate crimes? If somebody kills me for no reason other than the fact that I'm white, then it's a hate crime under this law.

SUBMAN1 · 04-29-09, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

Where does the law say that crimes against WASPs can't be hate crimes? If somebody kills me for no reason other than the fact that I'm white, then it's a hate crime under this law.

Wong answer! You are white and male, correct? Sorry - no dice then. Your criminal attacker will get a reduced sentence automagically! It is written in a way to say that they will get an increased sentence for attacking speicific groups, but in reality, that is really a reduced sentence for attacking you.

I little clue - call yourself muslim and then things become equal once more. I read the original bill and it is said to have not changed, so this will work.

-S

Max2147 · 04-29-09, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Wong answer! You are white and male, correct? Sorry - no dice then. Your criminal attacker will get a reduced sentence automagically! It is written in a way to say that they will get an increased sentence for attacking speicific groups, but in reality, that is really a reduced sentence for attacking you.

I little clue - call yourself muslim and then things become equal once more. I read the original bill and it is said to have not changed, so this will work.

-S

Well, as much as you may want me to feel oppressed, I just don't feel it. If you're that desperate to feel oppressed, go ahead.

Onkel Neal · 04-30-09, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

And people say special interest is not taking over this country....

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopN...53S8IM20090429

Now we have special rights for Mexicans to Muslims. If you are white, male, and an upstanding citizen, criminals get a reduced sentence for attacking you, assaulting you, robbing you. If you are gay, female, black, or Muslim, they get double the sentence.

Welcome to the special interest country of America! The land of the decreasingly free! The land that used to be! The land that is at its end.....

-S

That does it. I've decided to remain white, male, and an upstanding...mainly the first two. I find that also gets me a special discount on my electric bill.

JALU3 · 04-30-09, 01:31 AM

This reminds me about what South Park said on this issue in the episode "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime".

And now you know, and entertained!

04-30-09, 03:30 AM

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If you are white, male, and an upstanding citizen, criminals get a reduced sentence for attacking you, assaulting you, robbing you. If you are gay, female, black, or Muslim, they get double the sentence.

What parts of the law don't you understand Subman ?
All of them by the looks of it . But don't worry , that muppet Smith doesn't understand them either .
So to sum up there is no reduction of sentence , there is also no doubling of sentence for crimes.
What it means is that if you burn down a church you will be getting the sentence for arson , but if you burn down a church because you hate Chritianity you will get a sentence for arson and a seperate sentence for commiting a hate crime

SUBMAN1 · 04-30-09, 08:58 PM

Hardly the case Tribesman - all you have to do as a victim is say 'hate crime' - which is why it was never acting into law by sensible government officials until now.

Read up on it. You might be a bit shocked what you come across.

-S

rubenandthejets · 04-30-09, 10:34 PM

One phrase in Arabic and this problem is solved!

Just convert to Islam and enjoy the special entitlements that you profess it offers in the USA. It's certainly a lot easier (and cheaper) than having a sex change.

C'mon Subman, you know you want to!

Max2147 · 04-30-09, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Hardly the case Tribesman - all you have to do as a victim is say 'hate crime' - which is why it was never acting into law by sensible government officials until now.

Erm, no. There have been federal hate crime laws for a long time now, to say nothing of local laws.. This one just broadens the scope of existing laws.

August · 04-30-09, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

Erm, no. There have been federal hate crime laws for a long time now, to say nothing of local laws.. This one just broadens the scope of existing laws.

Existing laws or not they violate the right to equal protection under the law. Murder should be murder regardless of the motivation.

Max2147 · 04-30-09, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Existing laws or not they violate the right to equal protection under the law. Murder should be murder regardless of the motivation.

Murder is still murder in all circumstances regardless of hate crime laws. It's not like people who murder white folks are suddenly going to get off easy because of these laws.

If the hate crime laws aren't invoked for people killing WASPs, that means one of two things. First, it could mean that people don't kill WASPs for who they are. Second, it could mean that there's a problem of enforcement. Either way, it's not a problem with the law itself.

August · 04-30-09, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

Murder is still murder in all circumstances regardless of hate crime laws. It's not like people who murder white folks are suddenly going to get off easy because of these laws.

If the hate crime laws aren't invoked for people killing WASPs, that means one of two things. First, it could mean that people don't kill WASPs for who they are. Second, it could mean that there's a problem of enforcement. Either way, it's not a problem with the law itself.

If you kill someone you hate them by definition. Attempting to make motive a crime will result in uneven and unfair application of the law.

04-29-09, 08:29 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Equal justice for all is out the window... And people say special interest is not taking over this country.... http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopN...53S8IM20090429 Now we have special rights for Mexicans to Muslims. If you are white, male, and an upstanding citizen, criminals get a reduced sentence for attacking you, assaulting you, robbing you. If you are gay, female, black, or Muslim, they get double the sentence. Welcome to the special interest country of America! The land of the decreasingly free! The land that used to be! The land that is at its end..... -S __________________

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	They wont survive to get sentences if it were me. but this special interest stuff is major league bull sh*t __________________

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UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well it's nice to know that violent crimes against W.A.S.P.S. aren't commited out of hate. I guess we're just that swell __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

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JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This reminds me about what South Park said on this issue in the episode "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime". And now you know, and entertained! __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hardly the case Tribesman - all you have to do as a victim is say 'hate crime' - which is why it was never acting into law by sensible government officials until now. Read up on it. You might be a bit shocked what you come across. -S __________________

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rubenandthejets 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 279 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	One phrase in Arabic and this problem is solved! Just convert to Islam and enjoy the special entitlements that you profess it offers in the USA. It's certainly a lot easier (and cheaper) than having a sex change. C'mon Subman, you know you want to! __________________ HMAS Sydney III "Thorough and Ready"