yay more inflation

[nikimcbee]

Price of milk has gone up by 10 cents here. So, if I'm not mistaken, in the last three months, it has gone up 20 cents.

[AVGWarhawk]

Everything is up. Attribute it to higher fuel prices to get the product to the stores. Higher prices to run the farm tractors. Higher prices to run the milking machines. It all ends up coming out of our pockets if we want milk and cookies.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Relax, McBee. This is all part of our plan to save the earth. We are using corn to create ethanol fuels that are good for the environment. To do that, we need land that cows used to use. And other livestock and crops. And stuff. Thus far, we have succeeded in creating a gasoline product that is 10% corn-ethanol, and will reduce our carbon emissions by...um...well nothing actually. In fact it has increased our carbon footprint, but it's the thought that counts, right? The water included in the ethanol may damage your engine, but don't sweat it, you can just go buy a new car. Make sure you get one of the new ones that is designed to use ethanol fuel. They won't be any less susceptible to water damage or fuel-efficient than the vehicle you have now, but they are designed to use ethanol fuel.

Also, this green industry is unprofitable, so we're going to need you to contribute some of your income, if you don't mind. It's your choice of course, you can either help us save the planet or go to jail. Thanks in advance for your generosity and environmental consciousness. This is our Earth, after all.

[frau kaleun]

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Look on the bright side, frau. This rise in bacon prices saves the earth, as well as our precious pigs, which we can then use for bacon. It may not make sense now, but it will all come together perfectly if you will just vote for us. We promise. Honest. Just press that button in the voting booth and you will receive bacon.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Cows can keep their pasture's...

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

EDIT: Nothing new but interesting http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...rst%20Public%2

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I knew I should have purchased pork belly futures.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

To do that, we need land that cows used to use.

I know that was tongue in cheek, but the problem with that point of view is that the US government pays farmers to NOT grow corn. They get paid to not do what they're supposed to do. I can go for a Lima bean shortage if it means more farmers are growing corn and dropping our fuel prices.

And yes, the carbon footprint of ethanol vs petroleum is smaller. Just look at the infrastructure for each. Ethanol will be our hold over fuel until something better comes along.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

I know that was tongue in cheek, but the problem with that point of view is that the US government pays farmers to NOT grow corn. They get paid to not do what they're supposed to do. I can go for a Lima bean shortage if it means more farmers are growing corn and dropping our fuel prices.

Excellent analysis, Gargamel. You are mostly correct. The government does, indeed, pay farmers to not grow corn. It also pays them an inflated price for the corn they do grow. It's all part of a subsidy system that is so complex and counterproductive that I cannot begin to understand it. Supposedly it helps farmers, not that it has at all saved them from being dominated by agribusiness, which curiously reaps many of the same subsidies and price controls for some reason.

I could also use an increase in the corn supply and the resultant drop in corn prices, but somehow, that's not what's happening. We have, through state intervention, managed to achieve the impossible. We have increased the production of a product and simultaneously managed to make it more expensive at the same time. And we did it all for our own good and the good of the planet.

And yes, the carbon footprint of ethanol vs petroleum is smaller. Just look at the infrastructure for each. Ethanol will be our hold over fuel until something better comes along.

From whence did you obtain this bizarre supposition? I tried to look it up but I find no credible champions of ethanol, other than the lobbies and some eco-tards. I reserve judgement, but I am curious.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

From whence did you obtain this bizarre supposition? I tried to look it up but I find no credible champions of ethanol, other than the lobbies and some eco-tards. I reserve judgement, but I am curious.

Ah well it is just that, supposition. But a logical one IMO. The source of corn is green, its a plant, reducing the carbon footprint to start with. then there's a tractor, a few trucks, and some ancillary machines, but that's about it, and the distillery (different than a refinery, a lot less wasteful). Oil needs a rig (many trucks/ships), a refinery (power source, waste gases), shipping (trucks/ships), etc etc. It's amazing to think that oil doesnt burn more fuel than it produces.

Yeah. ethanol is still a CO2 emitting fuel, but we really need to switch to it to preserve the oil supply, so other petroleum products that alternatives have yet to be found (plastic?) can continue on.

Also financially speaking, as A US citizen, I would like to be free of the OPEC countries hold over us. And corn production is one of the few commodities that the US could be the leader in. We have all this open space, might as well use it.

And forget ethanol, what about vegetable oil in diesels? way more fuel efficient to start with!

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Everything is up. Attribute it to higher fuel prices to get the product to the stores. Higher prices to run the farm tractors. Higher prices to run the milking machines. It all ends up coming out of our pockets if we want milk and cookies.

This.

Watch the price of Diesal in particular.