Turkey warns EU becoming 'Christian club'

[Gerald]

Turkey's deputy prime minister complained on Saturday that the European Union was becoming an inward-looking "Christian club", slamming a lack of progress in his country's bid to join.

Speaking on a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos that included EU President Herman Van Rompuy, Ali Babacan said: "We always thought the EU is a big peace project... but then the enlargement process literally stalled.

"Open door policy is no longer there," he added.

"And one of the big themes about why Turkey cannot become a member of the European Union is because it is a Christian club. This is in our view very, very dangerous," he said.

Beyond this, France's President Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel has expressed opposition to Turkey's bid.People in the Islamic world are looking closely at the EU to see whether it will open its doors to Turkey, said Babacan, also economy minister.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20110129...c-5268574.html

Note: 2011.01.29

[Feuer Frei!]

I think we need to also ask the question:
Why does Turkey want to join the EU?
The secular side wants in because Turkey risks falling into the theocratic muslim circle.The military wants in because it will keep turkey secular and modern.
The current administration of Turkey says it wants in because they can use it to further there own agenda of a muslim state without the Military shutting them down.
Now,
Turkey started entry talks with the European Union five years ago, but negotiations on several policy areas have stalled or have been suspended because of Turkey's refusal to open its ports to trade with EU-member Cyprus as well as opposition in France and other European countries' to letting a populous, Muslim nation into the 27-nation bloc.
It's actually interesting to point out that both the Orthodox Church in Turkey, along with the Syriacs and Armenian Apostolic Church are in favor of Turkey joining the EU. In a nutshell, the reason they are in favor of Turkish EU membership is that there will be leverage to force Turkey to live up to the constitutional guarantee, which has been part of the Turkish constitution since the republic was established, as well as a condition for EU membership, to grant religious freedom to all citizens. Hence, unlike Saudi Arabia, which constitutionally bans all religions except Islam, Turkey already, at least notionally, guarantess this first freedom.
But how can Turkey join the EU without recognizing a member state (Cyprus) for instance?
The suppresion of human rights is also a very big issue : why the orthodox patriarchate of Istanbul is not capable of training its own priests?
The problem is in Turkey's imperialist attitude as evidenced in Cyprus, or the state run by the Generals who question the sovereignty of 2 EU member states, namely Greece and Cyprus for instance.
Europe should not be asked to take a chance on Turkey.
There is the Da'wa threat, and the demographic threat, for a start, both felt in Europe.

[Skybird]

To hell with Erdoghan and Turkey. A racist, supremacist, cheating, split-tongued, bigmouthed bastard like him, propagating a totalitarian, inhumane ideology and call that barbarism a "peace" and a "freedom", while calling the demand that Turks should integrate if living in other countries a "crime against humanity", should not lecture others about "values".

BTW, historically the cultural sphere of Europe IS a Judaic-Christian club, in all that was bad, but also, what in the modern era outshines the past, in all that became good.

While Erdoghan once again shows what a two-faced a#####e he is, from Iran we get reports that mirror what wqas reported from Turkey early last year: Iran sees the biggest wave of persecutions of Christians currently since 70 years. Early last year, discrimination of Christian communities by turning legal schicanes against them, and sacking in the property they left behind when leaving or where not allowed to keep, reached a climax in Turkey. One year before that Egypt saw a massive attempt of supressing and driving out the Koptian Christians by killing their lifestocks and minimising or even preventing their financial compensations.

The past 5 years have seen a huge grow in violent and massive persecution of Christian communities in most of the all Islamic countries, marking a historic landmark value in violence of Islam against Christians. Local progroms and masskillings of Christians in Africa, the southern tip of ther Arab peninsula, and SE Asia. The occasional quick kill-en-passant on the street not even mentioned - we all have our problems with street crime, don't we?

Comment on that, you Turkish wannabe Padisha-Emperor Erdoghan the Great, ruler over the Arabs and conquereor of Europe.

Really, this azz starts to piss me very very big time.

Okay mods, I know I know - but cursing and using strong language sometimes gives at least temporary relief.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Cursing and using strong language sometimes gives at least temporary relief.

Unfortunately only temporary though

[Schroeder]

We're not a Christian club, were a western club. Big difference for me.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

We're not a Christian club, were a western club. Big difference for me.

Even me (athgeist), even you are influenced by cultural traditions, historical developements basing and deeply rooting in the basis of asncient Greek philosphy and Judaic-Christain tradition, both in good and bad. What we benefit from today, grew in parts by beinbg fostered by this tradition, but also often gre due to bitter resistance to this tradition.

I am no Christian, nor am I a Greek, nevertheless both have had tremendous influence over me actually turning out to be this "me" that I am, especially intellectually, and value-wise.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

We're not a Christian club, were a western club. Big difference for me.

Most definitely....I can only foresee problems if Turkey are allowed to join....who next?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Vendor

"Open door policy is no longer there," he added.

What!

There not taking bribes these days?

How about Turkey signs off the EU books.

[Growler]

Of course it's a Christian EU; if it weren't, then how could the Turks call to unite dissatisfied, disenfranchised, discriminated Muslims against the EU? Wait for it - they'll be pointing at the riots in France of a few years ago as further proof.

I mean, could their intent be any clearer?

[Hitman]

Turkey is not europe in almost everything, and they shouldn't be so angry about that. They have their own identity, and if they want to preserve it, joining an EU that protects rights and freedom is obviosuly not their best bet. That said, I think that the EU should consider some kind of special treaty or status for countries that are not to be members of the EU, but could well trade in common. I.e., economical common space, but no allowing of free persons movement from Turkey to EU, etc.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Hitman

That said, I think that the EU should consider some kind of special treaty or status for countries that are not to be members of the EU, but could well trade in common.

That is already the case: Turkey, Israel, Marocco...

[Kaye T. Bai]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Turkey is not europe in almost everything, and they shouldn't be so angry about that. They have their own identity, and if they want to preserve it, joining an EU that protects rights and freedom is obviosuly not their best bet. That said, I think that the EU should consider some kind of special treaty or status for countries that are not to be members of the EU, but could well trade in common. I.e., economical common space, but no allowing of free persons movement from Turkey to EU, etc.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has something similar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Co...-member_states

[gimpy117]

well any country who starts blocking internet sites because it insulted its leader is no country i'd ever want to see in the EU. Sorry turkey, i know you want into the EU for a number of reasons, but you'd have to clean up your act.

[Castout]

What does Turkey mean.

Europe is an atheist club so no worry or is that worse even?

[Spoon 11th]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Ali Babacan

ROFL