So real it's uncanny...

nodlew · 12-24-09, 01:39 PM

I just watched a film on YouTube about the U-Boat war--Battlefront, a three part vid that has a lot of great action and commentary by the people that were there on both sides. The thing that made my jaw drop was that on every specific point that was mentioned by the real participants in the war--whether regarding strategy, history, or technology---SH3 with the GWX mod is in complete agreement. From the speed of convoys, to the best tactics for engaging them, the best tactics for evading destroyers, the behavior of convoy escorts...in every detail the game mirrors the historical reality. I cannot think of any simulation I have ever played that the same can be said of. And I've played a ton of them--tank sims, flight sims. Never played The Sims. Love sims, but don't go for The Sims.
And it was really cool to see real footage of merchant ships blowing up and being able to identify at a glance the type and approx. tonnage of the ship.
This game has a steep learning curve, but in the process, you really do learn a lot. For one thing, it's done wonders for my knowledge of geography.

GoldenRivet · 12-24-09, 02:35 PM

you said it friend

flag4 · 12-24-09, 03:05 PM

Hello Nodlew

check out these dvd titles

U-Boat War: http://www.amazon.co.uk/U-Boat-War-D...684233&sr=1-12

Grey Wolves vol. 1-3

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grey-Wolves-...1684233&sr=1-9

Grey Wolves narration is a bit dull/lacklustre, but the footage more than makes up for it. U-Boat War is a brilliant 3 part'er, 156 minutes in total with interviews from all who were involved - land, sea and air. maybe you could find a cheaper copy on e-bay though!

and this, from Nova, is a brilliant documentary, Hitlers Lost Sub

http://www.amazon.co.uk/NOVA-Hitlers...1684711&sr=1-1

and if you have not yet, then read the book which in my opinion is un-put-downable!!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shadow-Diver...1684797&sr=1-3

now, get your christmas money out and treat yourself!!

Jimbuna · 12-24-09, 03:57 PM

Welcome aboard nodlew

Brag · 12-24-09, 08:46 PM

Sh 3 with GWX is an inredibly good simulation of a period in history

ppk · 12-26-09, 12:59 AM

I think the only other game I played that was as consistently realistic as SH3 with GWX was Falcon 4. Of course it had to be heavily modded too; the stock game wasn't all that good. However it was such an absolute pain in the ass to mod (no jgsme here!) that the whole installation/patching process could take hours and came to be known as ''the falcon dance''... I guess that says something about user un-friendliness.

nodlew · 12-27-09, 08:47 PM

Wasn't there a kind of Super Mod for that game where they completely overhauled it and tried to make everything as detailed and realistic as possible...to the point where to take off you actually had to know the proper routine?

maxextz · 12-29-09, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

Sh 3 with GWX is an inredibly good simulation of a period in history

i agree its a fine sim.

12-24-09, 01:39 PM	#1
nodlew Engineer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 202 Downloads: 572 Uploads: 0	So real it's uncanny... I just watched a film on YouTube about the U-Boat war--Battlefront, a three part vid that has a lot of great action and commentary by the people that were there on both sides. The thing that made my jaw drop was that on every specific point that was mentioned by the real participants in the war--whether regarding strategy, history, or technology---SH3 with the GWX mod is in complete agreement. From the speed of convoys, to the best tactics for engaging them, the best tactics for evading destroyers, the behavior of convoy escorts...in every detail the game mirrors the historical reality. I cannot think of any simulation I have ever played that the same can be said of. And I've played a ton of them--tank sims, flight sims. Never played The Sims. Love sims, but don't go for The Sims. And it was really cool to see real footage of merchant ships blowing up and being able to identify at a glance the type and approx. tonnage of the ship. This game has a steep learning curve, but in the process, you really do learn a lot. For one thing, it's done wonders for my knowledge of geography.

12-24-09, 02:35 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	you said it friend __________________

12-24-09, 03:05 PM	#3
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	Hello Nodlew check out these dvd titles U-Boat War: http://www.amazon.co.uk/U-Boat-War-D...684233&sr=1-12 Grey Wolves vol. 1-3 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grey-Wolves-...1684233&sr=1-9 Grey Wolves narration is a bit dull/lacklustre, but the footage more than makes up for it. U-Boat War is a brilliant 3 part'er, 156 minutes in total with interviews from all who were involved - land, sea and air. maybe you could find a cheaper copy on e-bay though! and this, from Nova, is a brilliant documentary, Hitlers Lost Sub http://www.amazon.co.uk/NOVA-Hitlers...1684711&sr=1-1 and if you have not yet, then read the book which in my opinion is un-put-downable!! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shadow-Diver...1684797&sr=1-3 now, get your christmas money out and treat yourself!! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

12-24-09, 03:57 PM	#4
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12-24-09, 08:46 PM	#5
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Sh 3 with GWX is an inredibly good simulation of a period in history __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

12-26-09, 12:59 AM	#6
ppk Machinist's Mate Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 125 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	I think the only other game I played that was as consistently realistic as SH3 with GWX was Falcon 4. Of course it had to be heavily modded too; the stock game wasn't all that good. However it was such an absolute pain in the ass to mod (no jgsme here!) that the whole installation/patching process could take hours and came to be known as ''the falcon dance''... I guess that says something about user un-friendliness. __________________ When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche U-46 (VIIB) - 62 ships for 395,532 tons in Apr40 [DiD]

12-27-09, 08:47 PM	#7
nodlew Engineer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 202 Downloads: 572 Uploads: 0	Falcon 4.0 Wasn't there a kind of Super Mod for that game where they completely overhauled it and tried to make everything as detailed and realistic as possible...to the point where to take off you actually had to know the proper routine?