How do I sneak into a port if the water is so shallow?

kasperl · 12-24-09, 02:40 AM

Read in some posts here that sometimes you will find some juicy targets anchored in some ports. So in the first patrol in Aug 1939 before war is declared I did some reconnaissance to some principal ports like Plymouth. However I discovered that after I get to several kilometers far from the anchored ships the water is only about 10 meters deep, not even enough to let me dive to periscope depth. And I doubt that it is possible to sneak into a port surfaced, so how should I do it?
Thanks in advance.

David I · 12-24-09, 03:01 AM

On a moonless night, deck's awash (depth 7m), slow speed, and with little hope of seeing your loved ones again.

DavidI

nikbear · 12-28-09, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David I

On a moonless night, deck's awash (depth 7m), slow speed, and with little hope of seeing your loved ones again.

DavidI

Only 20 posts and that sums it up

Doesn't get better than that

maxextz · 12-29-09, 12:16 PM

i enjoy port infiltration its very time consuming but its worth it

if you can get in and out without being detected.

01-08-10, 05:59 PM

heh once i've made day aproach on scapa flow...
Most of DD sunk by hitting the shore, one that made it somehow, damaged my uboot pretty hard... as outcome i've entered the port, and what?! One ship bigger than 10k BRT, definatelly was not worth the risk...

Jimbuna · 01-09-10, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mlody

heh once i've made day aproach on scapa flow...
Most of DD sunk by hitting the shore, one that made it somehow, damaged my uboot pretty hard... as outcome i've entered the port, and what?! One ship bigger than 10k BRT, definatelly was not worth the risk...

Sounds like you loaded a saved game pretty close to the entrance.

Tom · 12-24-09, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kasperl

the water is only about 10 meters deep, not even enough to let me dive to periscope depth.

How did you check the depth? By asking the navigator for depth under keel? If so, then there is enough water for diving. When you're on the surface, your keel is already at 5 meters or so. With 10 meters of water under the keel, that makes a total of 15 meters. Periscope depth puts your keel at 13 meters, leaving a safety margin of 2 meters.

As this wasn't historically done (except once, at Scapa Flow), I haven't done much harbor raiding, but the few times I did try it out of curiosity, I was always able to sneak in at periscope depth. Getting out proved to be the difficult part.

kasperl · 12-24-09, 03:20 AM

So it still could be done?
And I believe it is not a must to get into 1km to hit several sitting ducks.

Commander Gizmo · 12-24-09, 03:26 AM

You'll likely find that there are more things to prevent your successful attack over distance than just depth...

And like it's been said, getting in is the easy bit.

Dissaray · 12-24-09, 05:25 AM

One thing you could try doing is finding the shiping chanle for the port. Most ports in reality have a deep chanle cut into them so the larger cargo and naval ships can get in and out. I don't know if they are modled into the game or not though.

A word of advice from my two failed attempts at port attacks: Mark your path in so you can falow it out. Ports are beset with mines and anti-sub and torpido nets. So if by chance, skill or luck you make it in and make an attack you will need to avoid them on your way out and you know that your way in was cleer of them so you might as well use that.

Also while you are right that you don't need to be close to hit a target that is moored at port it is a good idea to get in to at least 1500m range as it minimizes the chance of your torpido striking any nets.

Brag · 12-24-09, 10:42 AM

Port raiding, heh?
Leave your grsmophone, money and your girlfrind's telephone number with me.

Engan · 12-27-09, 08:04 PM

The easyest? ports to sneak in to, by my experince is the ones at the english east coast, in 39 to early 40, but not much of targets tho

BillCar · 12-27-09, 09:11 PM

I raided Scapa Flow today on the way back from a patrol off the Rockall Bank, and lived to tell the tale – but just barely. Using GWX 3.0, I slipped in at about 21h00, on the surface, and then went to periscope depth while inside the port to do the targeting.

Why?

Because I went in in horrible, HORRIBLE weather, and it was so dark that I couldn't even see the destroyer that was 500m in front of me. Targeted it with the hydrophones and, since I wasn't going to be sticking around for another target, fired all four tubes at it. Hit it with two, the others probably passed underneath it due to the rough seas.

Made a break for it out the narrow channels to the east, got messed up with depth charges, but was able to patch myself up and get back to Wilhelmshaven without any corpses on board.

That was Nov. 30th, 1939.

12-27-09, 11:32 PM

Hmmm.
I thought he was talking about sneaking back into one's homeport, after completing a latewar patrol.

Never entered an enemy port, and never will.

Merchant Raider · 01-15-10, 07:34 PM

Hi All
try east end of scapa flow and past by the blockage ships early in the war and enter the flow that way .
you will have to surface to enter but i enjoy the rush ?

12-24-09, 02:40 AM	#1
kasperl Seaman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 32 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	How do I sneak into a port if the water is so shallow? Read in some posts here that sometimes you will find some juicy targets anchored in some ports. So in the first patrol in Aug 1939 before war is declared I did some reconnaissance to some principal ports like Plymouth. However I discovered that after I get to several kilometers far from the anchored ships the water is only about 10 meters deep, not even enough to let me dive to periscope depth. And I doubt that it is possible to sneak into a port surfaced, so how should I do it? Thanks in advance.

12-29-09, 12:16 PM	#4
maxextz Loader Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dublin Ireland Posts: 82 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	i enjoy port infiltration its very time consuming but its worth it if you can get in and out without being detected. __________________

12-24-09, 10:42 AM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Port raiding, heh? Leave your grsmophone, money and your girlfrind's telephone number with me. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

12-27-09, 08:04 PM	#12
Engan Watch Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Deep down below Posts: 28 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	The easyest? ports to sneak in to, by my experince is the ones at the english east coast, in 39 to early 40, but not much of targets tho __________________ ___________________________ GWX 3.0 + SH Commander 80%realism VIIC: The best a subcommander can get.

12-27-09, 09:11 PM	#13
BillCar Engineer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 203 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	I raided Scapa Flow today on the way back from a patrol off the Rockall Bank, and lived to tell the tale – but just barely. Using GWX 3.0, I slipped in at about 21h00, on the surface, and then went to periscope depth while inside the port to do the targeting. Why? Because I went in in horrible, HORRIBLE weather, and it was so dark that I couldn't even see the destroyer that was 500m in front of me. Targeted it with the hydrophones and, since I wasn't going to be sticking around for another target, fired all four tubes at it. Hit it with two, the others probably passed underneath it due to the rough seas. Made a break for it out the narrow channels to the east, got messed up with depth charges, but was able to patch myself up and get back to Wilhelmshaven without any corpses on board. That was Nov. 30th, 1939. __________________ SH3: 100% Realism, DID, GWX 3.0 + SH3 Commander 3.2 + HITMAN'S BETA GUI FOR GWX 3.0 (in a word: AMAZING) + FM Interiors + SH5 Water + Thomsen's Sound Pack 3.2 + BillCar's Sonar Ping http://tinyurl.com/billcarpingmod SH4: 100% Realism, DID, RFB / TMO1.9+RSRDC / OM+OMEGU.

12-24-09, 03:01 AM	#2
David I Ensign Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 231 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	On a moonless night, deck's awash (depth 7m), slow speed, and with little hope of seeing your loved ones again. DavidI

01-08-10, 05:59 PM	#5
Mlody Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	heh once i've made day aproach on scapa flow... Most of DD sunk by hitting the shore, one that made it somehow, damaged my uboot pretty hard... as outcome i've entered the port, and what?! One ship bigger than 10k BRT, definatelly was not worth the risk...

12-24-09, 03:20 AM	#8
kasperl Seaman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 32 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	So it still could be done? And I believe it is not a must to get into 1km to hit several sitting ducks.

12-24-09, 03:26 AM	#9
Commander Gizmo Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 4	You'll likely find that there are more things to prevent your successful attack over distance than just depth... And like it's been said, getting in is the easy bit.

12-24-09, 05:25 AM	#10
Dissaray 中国水兵 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 280 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	One thing you could try doing is finding the shiping chanle for the port. Most ports in reality have a deep chanle cut into them so the larger cargo and naval ships can get in and out. I don't know if they are modled into the game or not though. A word of advice from my two failed attempts at port attacks: Mark your path in so you can falow it out. Ports are beset with mines and anti-sub and torpido nets. So if by chance, skill or luck you make it in and make an attack you will need to avoid them on your way out and you know that your way in was cleer of them so you might as well use that. Also while you are right that you don't need to be close to hit a target that is moored at port it is a good idea to get in to at least 1500m range as it minimizes the chance of your torpido striking any nets.

12-27-09, 11:32 PM	#14
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hmmm. I thought he was talking about sneaking back into one's homeport, after completing a latewar patrol. Never entered an enemy port, and never will.

01-15-10, 07:34 PM	#15
Merchant Raider Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 126 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 0	Hi All try east end of scapa flow and past by the blockage ships early in the war and enter the flow that way . you will have to surface to enter but i enjoy the rush ? __________________ I THINK THEREFORE I AM , I THINK ?