This time I'll wait......

TDK1044 · 08-18-09, 07:20 AM

I'm happy to see that SH5 has finally been officially announced. Now the game begins once again. Demands, frustration, anger, joy etc.

For me, having gone through the fiasco of SH3 and SH4 being released as unfinished games and then having to be heavily patched during the first year after release, has changed my mind about purchasing the game.

This time I've decided to wait at least 9 months, probably a year after release, before purchasing SH5.

Buying a game and immediately patching it...then waiting for and adding mods....then uninstalling those mods and adding patch 2....then waiting for and adding the newly compatible mods....then uninstalling those mods and installing patch 3...then adding newly compatible mods.....it all gets so old.

So I'll follow the journey of SH5 as an interested onlooker. Once patch 1.4 is released, I'll buy the game at some bargain basement bin and patch and mod it.

I'm too old now for Ubisoft's nonsense.

Kapitan_Phillips · 08-18-09, 07:22 AM

Wise words from the miserable old fart

But yeah, I know what you mean, but I'll likely be getting it sooner. As soon as I can afford more hamsters to run my computer.

u-168 · 08-18-09, 07:36 AM

i will go on ebay looking for cheap ones ppl who cannot run it then get one and just wait to save my money read the box then get a g-card i think.

U-168

TDK1044 · 08-18-09, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Wise words from the miserable old fart

But yeah, I know what you mean, but I'll likely be getting it sooner. As soon as I can afford more hamsters to run my computer.

I just can't go through all that nonsense again, Kapitan. I know that Dan and his team will have worked their asses off on the new game, and I also know that they will have had a totally under funded production schedule to get the game built.

It will be the same old story. Either reward Ubisoft's poor customer service ethic and support the Silent Hunter franchise by paying $49 for the unfinished game at release, or pay $10 for a completed game patched to 1.4 nine months later.

With SH3 and SH4 I went for choice 1 and supported the franchise, but this time I'm going with choice 2. I have better things to do with my time than constantly patching an unfinished game that I paid $49 for.

If that makes me a miserable old fart then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Nexus7 · 08-18-09, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I'm happy to see that SH5 has finally been officially announced. Now the game begins once again. Demands, frustration, anger, joy etc.

For me, having gone through the fiasco of SH3 and SH4 being released as unfinished games and then having to be heavily patched during the first year after release, has changed my mind about purchasing the game.

This time I've decided to wait at least 9 months, probably a year after release, before purchasing SH5.

Buying a game and immediately patching it...then waiting for and adding mods....then uninstalling those mods and adding patch 2....then waiting for and adding the newly compatible mods....then uninstalling those mods and installing patch 3...then adding newly compatible mods.....it all gets so old.

So I'll follow the journey of SH5 as an interested onlooker. Once patch 1.4 is released, I'll buy the game at some bargain basement bin and patch and mod it.

I'm too old now for Ubisoft's nonsense.

Good posting

I experienced the same farce with Dangerous Waters.
Very high expectations but
- first release very bugged
-> everyone angry waiting for the first patch that seems to never arrive
-> play a little
-> MOD's frenzy starts
-> new bugs
-> new patch (new wait)
-> new bugs
-> producer withdraws from project leaving the game unfinisched and me with 70$ less in my pocket AAAAAARGHHHHHHHH!!!!

ccruner13 · 08-18-09, 08:50 AM

ditto. went through it too many times and too recently in E:TW to go through the frustration again. maybe im just finally learning? heh i do want it tho....

BellJack95 · 08-18-09, 09:17 AM

I too have felt the same frustration and while the trailer caught my attention I will be patient and see what else is revealed in the coming months on the game. As for purchase, I will buy the game but I do not think I will rush out and get it until after the first couple of patches - as Ubisoft has a past track record of releasing the game too soon and then the devs have to patch it quickly.

I also have to look at my PC. It is 3 years old and I have been upgrading parts of it to keep it somewhat current but it would depend on the specs for this game as to when I buy. If I need to upgrade again to run the game then I would need to do that first and then save up to buy the game (which might buy me time to get a more stable game

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ETR3(SS) · 08-18-09, 09:59 AM

Well someones got to bite the bullet somewhere. If we the sub simmers dont buy the game (anticipating the same ol' same ol'), then Ubi will think the game is either:

A. fine as it is and will reassign dev's (due to lack of feedback) or
B. the sub sim genre has died out and the SH franchise is no longer a cash cow.

Now if we all buy the game Ubi will think that:

A. the game must be good because it's selling well and will reassign dev's or
B. they might actually learn and keep the dev team together for a couple of months while the bugs come in.

Now personally I have no choice but to wait to get it as I have to upgrade my system. A P4 and 6800GT don't cut it anymore.

Rockin Robbins · 08-18-09, 10:11 AM

Hooray for TDK! I'll take door #2 as well. We have all sorts of questions to answer before game purchase is in order for me:

What is the copy protection scheme? Is it a "service" which runs 24 hours a day sucking resources from my computer? Is it something that will use me as a pawn to carry on a personal grudge against another programmer who just happened to catch them in a previous criminal act? Will it interfere with the operation of unrelated aspects of my computer? I won't accept unreasonable copy protection.

What are the equipment requirements? I don't mean "what does the box say." I mean what does it really need. Others can be the pioneers and collect the arrows this time.

Wolfpacks? No wolfpacks, no sale. SH5 without wolfpacks will be as realistic as SH4 without water.

I'm looking for meaningful improvements in gameplay. Sub walkthroughs with natural looking crewmember movements and "interactive" speech don't count. They're eyecandy and earcandy. As such they're nice, but are meaningless to gameplay. I want gameplay first, candy second.

The trailer's emphasis on surprise attack by forces that should have been easily detected before, with a captain who is touring his boat when he should have been attending to his responsibilities on the surface, plus the absurd artwork depicting the sub surfaced within a hundred meters of exploding merchies and attacking escorts make me wonder about the overall design philosophy of the game. Do we have an arcade game here? Does Ubi understand the buyer of a simulation? Or are they selling to FPS fans only now?

And of course I want to know how it plays. It's not like I'm not having fun with SH4 and have SH3 as well. Many think SH3 is even more fun than SH4. I'm perfectly happy with the status quo and would consider buying a proven, realistic, smooth-running Silent Hunter 5 in several months.

Sonarman · 08-18-09, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What is the copy protection scheme? Is it a "service" which runs 24 hours a day sucking resources from my computer? Is it something that will use me as a pawn to carry on a personal grudge against another programmer who just happened to catch them in a previous criminal act? Will it interfere with the operation of unrelated aspects of my computer? I won't accept unreasonable copy protection.

That one seems to be giving Ubisoft some sleepless nights at the moment. Looks like they are working on a new tool lets hope it's not too intrusive.
Though I think Eidos may have hit upon the best piracy prevention of all here let's hope it works for them as it may signal a new dawn for software retail.

Rockin Robbins · 08-18-09, 10:25 AM

I believe the ideal copy protection scheme should encourage people to copy the game with reckless abandon, minimizing distribution costs, while requiring them to pay for registration in order to play the game. Keeping the installation disks from being copied only adds to game company expenses.

A little imagination needs to be applied to the copy protection arena. If Jutland came up with something new, Ubi can.

AVGWarhawk · 08-18-09, 10:31 AM

Bugs or not.....I'm buying

The game is afoot as they say! UBI will deliver a 99.9% completed game!

Keeping the faith men!

SteamWake · 08-18-09, 10:32 AM

LOL ironic thread is ironic.

I'm pretty sure were all going to have to wait...

Sonarman · 08-18-09, 10:32 AM

@RockinRobbins
Yes, I like your idea, alternatively make games so cheap no one would bother to pirate them. They diid this in Russia and piracy rates dropped by 78%.

ccruner13 · 08-18-09, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonarman

That one seems to be giving Ubisoft some sleepless nights at the moment. Looks like they are working on a new tool lets hope it's not too intrusive.
Though I think Eidos may have hit upon the best piracy prevention of all here let's hope it works for them as it may signal a new dawn for software retail.

i dont have exact figures but i know steam does bargain things on a weekly basis and the discounts vary but they reduce prices and that induces buying by people who might overlook it at full price and doing this actually increased profits. enough extra people bought it at the discounted price to offset the loss from the discount. itll be interesting to see what happens with the 'pay what you want' experiment.

for example...

18th August 2009 11:51PM, posted by JWhittaker
I just purchased this with no problems, so it would seem that if they were having trouble with the website, they have it sorted out now. Maybe it just got overloaded with everyone trying to buy it at once. Anyway, £2.51, a great price for any game. I wouldn't normally buy a game like this, but at that price, who wouldn't???

08-18-09, 07:20 AM	#1
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	This time I'll wait...... I'm happy to see that SH5 has finally been officially announced. Now the game begins once again. Demands, frustration, anger, joy etc. For me, having gone through the fiasco of SH3 and SH4 being released as unfinished games and then having to be heavily patched during the first year after release, has changed my mind about purchasing the game. This time I've decided to wait at least 9 months, probably a year after release, before purchasing SH5. Buying a game and immediately patching it...then waiting for and adding mods....then uninstalling those mods and adding patch 2....then waiting for and adding the newly compatible mods....then uninstalling those mods and installing patch 3...then adding newly compatible mods.....it all gets so old. So I'll follow the journey of SH5 as an interested onlooker. Once patch 1.4 is released, I'll buy the game at some bargain basement bin and patch and mod it. I'm too old now for Ubisoft's nonsense.

08-18-09, 07:36 AM	#3
u-168 Planesman Join Date: May 2007 Location: united kingdom Posts: 182 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	i will go on ebay looking for cheap ones ppl who cannot run it then get one and just wait to save my money read the box then get a g-card i think. U-168 __________________ U-168 Arctic wolf On The Prowl ..- \| \| \| \| \| .- .-. -.-. - .. -.-. \| .-- --- .-.. ..-. \| --- -. \| - .... . \| .--. .-. --- .-- .-.. http://www.scoutnet.nl/~inter/morse/morseform.html Commander Of The Vladimir Lenin Akula-Typhoon Class Ballistic Missile Submarine

08-18-09, 09:59 AM	#8
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Well someones got to bite the bullet somewhere. If we the sub simmers dont buy the game (anticipating the same ol' same ol'), then Ubi will think the game is either: A. fine as it is and will reassign dev's (due to lack of feedback) or B. the sub sim genre has died out and the SH franchise is no longer a cash cow. Now if we all buy the game Ubi will think that: A. the game must be good because it's selling well and will reassign dev's or B. they might actually learn and keep the dev team together for a couple of months while the bugs come in. Now personally I have no choice but to wait to get it as I have to upgrade my system. A P4 and 6800GT don't cut it anymore. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine. Last edited by ETR3(SS); 08-18-09 at 07:03 PM.

08-18-09, 10:11 AM	#9
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Hooray for TDK! I'll take door #2 as well. We have all sorts of questions to answer before game purchase is in order for me: What is the copy protection scheme? Is it a "service" which runs 24 hours a day sucking resources from my computer? Is it something that will use me as a pawn to carry on a personal grudge against another programmer who just happened to catch them in a previous criminal act? Will it interfere with the operation of unrelated aspects of my computer? I won't accept unreasonable copy protection. What are the equipment requirements? I don't mean "what does the box say." I mean what does it really need. Others can be the pioneers and collect the arrows this time. Wolfpacks? No wolfpacks, no sale. SH5 without wolfpacks will be as realistic as SH4 without water. I'm looking for meaningful improvements in gameplay. Sub walkthroughs with natural looking crewmember movements and "interactive" speech don't count. They're eyecandy and earcandy. As such they're nice, but are meaningless to gameplay. I want gameplay first, candy second. The trailer's emphasis on surprise attack by forces that should have been easily detected before, with a captain who is touring his boat when he should have been attending to his responsibilities on the surface, plus the absurd artwork depicting the sub surfaced within a hundred meters of exploding merchies and attacking escorts make me wonder about the overall design philosophy of the game. Do we have an arcade game here? Does Ubi understand the buyer of a simulation? Or are they selling to FPS fans only now? And of course I want to know how it plays. It's not like I'm not having fun with SH4 and have SH3 as well. Many think SH3 is even more fun than SH4. I'm perfectly happy with the status quo and would consider buying a proven, realistic, smooth-running Silent Hunter 5 in several months. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-18-09, 10:25 AM	#11
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I believe the ideal copy protection scheme should encourage people to copy the game with reckless abandon, minimizing distribution costs, while requiring them to pay for registration in order to play the game. Keeping the installation disks from being copied only adds to game company expenses. A little imagination needs to be applied to the copy protection arena. If Jutland came up with something new, Ubi can. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-18-09, 07:22 AM	#2
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Wise words from the miserable old fart But yeah, I know what you mean, but I'll likely be getting it sooner. As soon as I can afford more hamsters to run my computer. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

08-18-09, 08:50 AM	#6
ccruner13 Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 175 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	ditto. went through it too many times and too recently in E:TW to go through the frustration again. maybe im just finally learning? heh i do want it tho....

08-18-09, 09:17 AM	#7
BellJack95 Bosun Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 67 Downloads: 149 Uploads: 0	I too have felt the same frustration and while the trailer caught my attention I will be patient and see what else is revealed in the coming months on the game. As for purchase, I will buy the game but I do not think I will rush out and get it until after the first couple of patches - as Ubisoft has a past track record of releasing the game too soon and then the devs have to patch it quickly. I also have to look at my PC. It is 3 years old and I have been upgrading parts of it to keep it somewhat current but it would depend on the specs for this game as to when I buy. If I need to upgrade again to run the game then I would need to do that first and then save up to buy the game (which might buy me time to get a more stable game )

08-18-09, 10:31 AM	#12
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Bugs or not.....I'm buying The game is afoot as they say! UBI will deliver a 99.9% completed game! Keeping the faith men!

08-18-09, 10:32 AM	#13
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	LOL ironic thread is ironic. I'm pretty sure were all going to have to wait... __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-18-09, 10:32 AM	#14
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	@RockinRobbins Yes, I like your idea, alternatively make games so cheap no one would bother to pirate them. They diid this in Russia and piracy rates dropped by 78%. __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.