Sometimes, just surviving is a victory...

The_Blockade_Runner · 10-20-08, 10:32 AM

Playing GWX 2.1, no other mods, 76% Realism May 1941

Id like to think Ive gotten pretty damn good at this game. Im starting to live longer with higher tonnage using lessons learned from game experience and these forums. Some of these are simple lessons, but hard learned, at the expense of a few promising careers . The first one is When an aircraft is spotted, always crash dive instead of engaging. This is where One of the biggest difference Ive seen between stock SH3 and GWX. Those Aircraft close on you fast.

The second one is the harder learned one. And that is take whatever you can and survive. When attacking a convoy you cant always get the big ships you want. And sometimes it is better to break off the attack all together to survive. One of the reasons Iv lost careers in the past is trying to do too much. When detected, it is better to hide in the depths IMO, rather than setting up your next attack.

All of this was proved in my last patrol. As I was held to a total tonnage of 12k. The whole patrol from the Belchan Supply ship. to the denmark straights, to the Bay of Biscay was filled with the same routine, Aircraft spotted, crash dive, were taking damage sir.

4 Times I took damage from aircraft bombs. Even once I was already at 40 meters and still took damage. Im starting to think that the allies have their radar now because these aircraft are finding me a lot more now. By the end of the patrol the HI was down to 56%. But im alive to fight another patrol, and am ready for more sucesses.

BTW, the VIIC can take a beating even with realistic damage turned on.

Also, can someone refresh me of the flotilla dates. Ive been operating out of the first flotilla since the start of the war and its now MAY 41 and Ive never been asked to transfer to Brest.

Hanomag · 10-20-08, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Blockade_Runner

The second one is the harder learned one. And that is take whatever you can and survive. When attacking a convoy you cant always get the big ships you want. And sometimes it is better to break off the attack all together to survive. One of the reasons Iv lost careers in the past is trying to do too much. When detected, it is better to hide in the depths IMO, rather than setting up your next attack.

Agreed Herr Kaluen...!!!

How often I have died due to greed 'specially after '43.

nikbear · 10-20-08, 12:03 PM

I bet being greedy is the reason for a hell of alot of lost career's,I know its cost me dearly in the past

Graf Paper · 10-20-08, 01:26 PM

One trick to help in avoiding aircraft is to run with decks awash by setting your depth between 7-8 meters, weather permitting. This leaves just your conning tower above the water but you can still run on the diesels.

You can't do this in rough seas but the weather is usually bad enough to keep planes grounded as well when the ocean gets churned up that much.

Running with decks awash increases the drag on your hull and slows your speed down by 1-2 kts but having just your turm above the water makes it even more difficult for enemy ships to spot you and greatly shortens the time needed to dive.

Once an aircraft is spotted, you should have plenty of time to dive to safety and probably will not even need to crash dive.

Task Force · 10-20-08, 01:34 PM

Amasingly being greedy hasent cost me my carear.

Yes there have been some great info on these fourms.

meduza · 10-20-08, 01:36 PM

The rules for surviving GWX:

1. Respect your opponent.
2. Don't be greedy.
3. Throw your Deck gun overboard after '40.
4. Do the same with your Flack gun(s) on your first patrol.

The one who runs away today will be able to fight tomorrow.

:rotfl:

predavolk · 10-20-08, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by meduza

The rules for surviving GWX:

1. Respect your opponent.
2. Don't be greedy.
3. Throw your Deck gun overboard after '40.
4. Do the same with your Flack gun(s) on your first patrol.

The one who runs away today will be able to fight tomorrow.
:rotfl:

There's no reason for a competent Kalheun to toss their deck gun after '40. You should be able to out-shoot merchants well into '43, until they start looking like battleships!

I generally agree with the other points, but there's a reason that 10% of solidiers (including sub drivers) get 90% of the kills- because they're aggressive enough to overcome their fear! You don't get big kills by being timid, so make sure you balance the desire to run away with a healthy desire to sink some serious tonnage!

Erich dem Roten · 10-20-08, 06:44 PM

I agree, I used to think coming home with any torps left was lame. Now that I'm in late 1943, I'm happy enough to get a few hits in on a convoy. Several times now I've had to scoot back to port with serious damage, due to the overzealous behavior I learned from '39 to late '41, and probably into most of 1942.

Strangely enough however, I finally got my first 100k+ patrol despite the tenacious escorts with ASDIC, though I never attack anymore without 200m of water or more.

ReallyDedPoet · 10-20-08, 07:57 PM

Some of my best patrols have not been big tonnage, but rather surviving a day or days of being hunted and depth charged to hell and back, then returning to the surface to fight another day.

RDP

nikbear · 10-21-08, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Some of my best patrols have not been big tonnage, but rather surviving a day or days of being hunted and depth charged to hell and back, then returning to the surface to fight another day.

RDP

Oh totally agree with you

Its just my nerves are more shreaded than a tramps vest:rotfl:

Murr44 · 10-21-08, 01:40 AM

Just finished my 6th patrol with U-95. Sank 5 ships (one was a sh*tty little schooner) and damaged 1 for a patrol total of 22,991 tons & a career (to date: Feb'41) total of 33 ships (32 merchants & 1 destroyer) amounting to 138,001 tons. Just received the DKiG (German Cross). On the way back I ran across an Empire-type freighter. Didn't attack it as I had no torpedoes left & didn't want my boat to get blown apart in a gun duel; I'd like to survive long enough to get my first GWX RK...

HunterICX · 10-21-08, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Some of my best patrols have not been big tonnage, but rather surviving a day or days of being hunted and depth charged to hell and back, then returning to the surface to fight another day.

RDP

Same, here.
it really feels good after been pounded by Depthcharges for long to surface again and head home.

HunterICX

papa_smurf · 10-21-08, 05:55 AM

Iv'e been to gredy when it coes to convoys, thus taking my eye off what the escorts are doing, resulting in me either ben sunk or having to break off the attack.

As with aircraft, I always crash dive regardless even if my sub has quad/twin flak combo, as I have learnt the hard way, this is not enough when you been attacked a Sunderland "Flying Porcupine" flying boat - you have to crash dive!

rifleman13 · 10-21-08, 06:20 AM

In my last career in a Type XXI in Apr '44, received a contact report of a convoy North of Scotland...

So I moved in for the kill, picked out a Victory ship. Fired two ladders at the convoy, hoping just one would hit them. I got impatient so I reverted back to straight-run eels.

Fired two of them at the Victory ship, and what do you know? They're both duds!
I think the rough seas messed up the magnetic pistols so I cut my losses and fired two Zaunkönigs at their escorts.

Bad idea... 60 years later divers found U-2513 under 163 meters of water...

meduza · 10-21-08, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rifleman13

In my last career in a Type XXI in Apr '44, received a contact report of a convoy North of Scotland...

So I moved in for the kill, picked out a Victory ship. Fired two ladders at the convoy, hoping just one would hit them. I got impatient so I reverted back to straight-run eels.

Fired two of them at the Victory ship, and what do you know? They're both duds!
I think the rough seas messed up the magnetic pistols so I cut my losses and fired two Zaunkönigs at their escorts.

Bad idea... 60 years later divers found U-2513 under 163 meters of water...

After a few near fatal encounters with escorts in '44, I completely abandoned convoy attacks. I'm still with my good old IX/C, constantly harassed by aircrafts and destroyers, spending my days going deep and slow, only sticking my schnorkel out once or twice a day.

I thought that this period of war will be boring, but it's not. Actualy I'm having a good time.

My first priority is pure survival, and I live for those rare moments when I pick up a faint sound of a lonely merchant, when the hunted becomes hunter once again.

10-20-08, 10:32 AM	#1
The_Blockade_Runner Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 156 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sometimes, just surviving is a victory... Playing GWX 2.1, no other mods, 76% Realism May 1941 Id like to think Ive gotten pretty damn good at this game. Im starting to live longer with higher tonnage using lessons learned from game experience and these forums. Some of these are simple lessons, but hard learned, at the expense of a few promising careers . The first one is When an aircraft is spotted, always crash dive instead of engaging. This is where One of the biggest difference Ive seen between stock SH3 and GWX. Those Aircraft close on you fast. The second one is the harder learned one. And that is take whatever you can and survive. When attacking a convoy you cant always get the big ships you want. And sometimes it is better to break off the attack all together to survive. One of the reasons Iv lost careers in the past is trying to do too much. When detected, it is better to hide in the depths IMO, rather than setting up your next attack. All of this was proved in my last patrol. As I was held to a total tonnage of 12k. The whole patrol from the Belchan Supply ship. to the denmark straights, to the Bay of Biscay was filled with the same routine, Aircraft spotted, crash dive, were taking damage sir. 4 Times I took damage from aircraft bombs. Even once I was already at 40 meters and still took damage. Im starting to think that the allies have their radar now because these aircraft are finding me a lot more now. By the end of the patrol the HI was down to 56%. But im alive to fight another patrol, and am ready for more sucesses. BTW, the VIIC can take a beating even with realistic damage turned on. Also, can someone refresh me of the flotilla dates. Ive been operating out of the first flotilla since the start of the war and its now MAY 41 and Ive never been asked to transfer to Brest. __________________ U boat warfare, Product of German Engineering. German Engineering in da house

10-20-08, 12:03 PM	#3
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I bet being greedy is the reason for a hell of alot of lost career's,I know its cost me dearly in the past __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

10-20-08, 01:26 PM	#4
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	One trick to help in avoiding aircraft is to run with decks awash by setting your depth between 7-8 meters, weather permitting. This leaves just your conning tower above the water but you can still run on the diesels. You can't do this in rough seas but the weather is usually bad enough to keep planes grounded as well when the ocean gets churned up that much. Running with decks awash increases the drag on your hull and slows your speed down by 1-2 kts but having just your turm above the water makes it even more difficult for enemy ships to spot you and greatly shortens the time needed to dive. Once an aircraft is spotted, you should have plenty of time to dive to safety and probably will not even need to crash dive. __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.

10-20-08, 01:34 PM	#5
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Amasingly being greedy hasent cost me my carear. Yes there have been some great info on these fourms. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

10-20-08, 01:36 PM	#6
meduza Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: on patrol Posts: 1,035 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	The rules for surviving GWX: 1. Respect your opponent. 2. Don't be greedy. 3. Throw your Deck gun overboard after '40. 4. Do the same with your Flack gun(s) on your first patrol. The one who runs away today will be able to fight tomorrow. :rotfl: __________________

10-20-08, 06:44 PM	#8
Erich dem Roten Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 134 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I agree, I used to think coming home with any torps left was lame. Now that I'm in late 1943, I'm happy enough to get a few hits in on a convoy. Several times now I've had to scoot back to port with serious damage, due to the overzealous behavior I learned from '39 to late '41, and probably into most of 1942. Strangely enough however, I finally got my first 100k+ patrol despite the tenacious escorts with ASDIC, though I never attack anymore without 200m of water or more. __________________

10-20-08, 07:57 PM	#9
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Some of my best patrols have not been big tonnage, but rather surviving a day or days of being hunted and depth charged to hell and back, then returning to the surface to fight another day. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

10-21-08, 01:40 AM	#11
Murr44 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 913 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Just finished my 6th patrol with U-95. Sank 5 ships (one was a sh*tty little schooner) and damaged 1 for a patrol total of 22,991 tons & a career (to date: Feb'41) total of 33 ships (32 merchants & 1 destroyer) amounting to 138,001 tons. Just received the DKiG (German Cross). On the way back I ran across an Empire-type freighter. Didn't attack it as I had no torpedoes left & didn't want my boat to get blown apart in a gun duel; I'd like to survive long enough to get my first GWX RK...

10-21-08, 05:55 AM	#13
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Iv'e been to gredy when it coes to convoys, thus taking my eye off what the escorts are doing, resulting in me either ben sunk or having to break off the attack. As with aircraft, I always crash dive regardless even if my sub has quad/twin flak combo, as I have learnt the hard way, this is not enough when you been attacked a Sunderland "Flying Porcupine" flying boat - you have to crash dive! __________________

10-21-08, 06:20 AM	#14
rifleman13 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: Depth-charged to Kingdom Come Posts: 927 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	In my last career in a Type XXI in Apr '44, received a contact report of a convoy North of Scotland... So I moved in for the kill, picked out a Victory ship. Fired two ladders at the convoy, hoping just one would hit them. I got impatient so I reverted back to straight-run eels. Fired two of them at the Victory ship, and what do you know? They're both duds! I think the rough seas messed up the magnetic pistols so I cut my losses and fired two Zaunkönigs at their escorts. Bad idea... 60 years later divers found U-2513 under 163 meters of water...