Surface Warfare MoD Poll

[John W. Hamm]

This is a simple Poll, if a based surface Warfare Mod for DD's and possibly larger craft was created in the spirit of SH4 as and add on to it would you play it. ? I think this would also be a good place to discuss the theories possibilties and limitations of creating a suface mod as well.

[Raptor1]

Only DDs? What's wrong with the full spectrum of Surface Ships?

[M. Sarsfield]

I'd only play it once the depth charge and surface torpedo issues were resolved.

[akdavis]

Unfortunately, I think the novelty of the AI conversions will wear off fairly quickly. The real prequisite to a "full-conversion" mod would be high-detail ships with at least some crew stations.

[Hartmann]

Very interesting a surface warfare mod. i woul play it as i did with some destroyer command mods or the original "grat naval battles"

the depth charges in destroyers are useless because submarine IA is unable to dive.:hmm:


but is a hard work, you need a campaign, surface ship stations and other difficult things, but i´m sure that it could be done with time.

[geosub1978]

Originally Posted by Hartmann

"great naval battles"

What a sweet memory it is, isn't it?

I especially remember "GREAT NAVAL BATTLES No 2 and No4".

A rework on them is the dream of a lifetime!

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Only DDs? What's wrong with the full spectrum of Surface Ships?

Well I was thinking initially DD's only, Ultimately I would like to see it done in much the same as the subs, a progression of earning rank as well as better and larger ships, all the way to the BB.

Another reason I initially say just DD is becasue (for the purpose of the present game configuration) it most closely resembles the submarine in both structure size and crew size.

[John W. Hamm]

I thought this would fit here it is drom another thread

Originally Posted by Mikahyl

Problem with the damage stuff is that it would require new zones adapted to the ship, new hitboxes adapted to the new zones, probably new equipments and stuff in the .upc files, etc. It would be worth it for someone willing to do a full all-DD mod, but a single ship it's too much work for a limited final interest.
The lazy argument : fixing depth charge shake damage is OK, but patching 5" shell holes in a diesel engine or that kind of damage is not, so in a way the inability to repair stuff is "semi realistic" :p
Also in UBM there's a "hitpoint" counter on the damage screen, useful to decide when you really need to back off.
For the rec manual, the buttons don't work but pressing "N" does Distance measurement, yep could be useful :hmm:

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

Well with as Many surface ships as you are producing and the ability you and Xantroles have to produce more, maybe it is time to start considering A full on DD MoD something similar in the way of RFB, or TM. That would allow the option of surface warfare, Promotions and Upgrades. I would certainly be willing to work on the MoD team, I can't do alot with the 3D modeling but I can cerainly work in the scripting area and I'm sure there are others as well with skills, that would want to. (though I know alot are tied up with RFB at the moment) there are still others out there.

Originally Posted by Raptor1

I would also be more then happy to help a full Surface Ship Mod, With Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleships (Auxiliaries? Could be fun), and a full campaign

Originally Posted by Sonarman

Hopefully an additional benefit of the popularity of these surface mods will be to convince the devs/Ubi to do a surface game next time out

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Quote:Xantrokoles if quoteing Raptor1
Originally Posted by Raptor1
I would also be more then happy to help a full Surface Ship Mod, With Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleships (Auxiliaries? Could be fun), and a full campaign


When you got a DD, CA,CL,BB campaign you all want a hovercraft, nuke sub, Aircraft campaign and then a tank game .....:rotfl:
Pease belive me that BB's are boring without AI torpedoes

When you compare it with Battlestations Midway, you will see the other game idea
This engine is for subs; small, divable, lowarmed subs

Quote:Xantrokoles is quoting Sonarman
Originally Posted by Sonarman
Hopefully an additional benefit of the popularity of these surface mods will be to convince the devs/Ubi to do a surface game next time out.


I think they take their announced break, didn't they?
And I don't think they will do another SH5, but this is not the theread for a discussion

Originally Posted by Mikahyl

Fully agreed Xantro, IMO all surface ships are boring, I made mine because I was bored, but I better like to run silent and being the "weak" & tracked one
For the torpedoes I didn't really bother because I made it more like some "sail simulator" ship than a warship. But I was thinking, if you attach the torpedo tubes to a mobile launcher (like a gun turret), I wonder if the torpedo would still spawn with 0° angle from your sub or 0° angle from its parent launcher object Z axis :hmm:
And keep on, I don't plan any other ships myself !
PS : Seine Franzose ist klasse, and when the tank is done please make me a playable x-wing

Quote:John Hamm is quoting Mikhayl
Originally Posted by Mikhayl
Fully agreed Xantro, IMO all surface ships are boring, I made mine because I was bored, but I better like to run silent and being the "weak" & tracked one



Yes and Napoleon also thought the idea of a steamed powered ship was a horrible idea.

Initially IBM thought the personal computer would go overlike a Led Balloon.

I can give hundreds of examples... You guys stumbled onto something that has brought alot of promise... Just read the forums. Actually there is more than a few threads on wanting a festoyer Command 2, So I would say alot of others don't share that opinion or you can continue to minimize it i guess... based on your own personal opinions.

But I offer you this... if the poll on the other side continues to show a larger group wanting it than not, and you are both still unwilling to help make the mod then I beg you please at least make a how to guide, so that others can at least work on it.

I know you keep refering to the fact that, people should just learn it for themselves, but some people just are not as astute in being able to reverse engineer and understand it as well as others, however they can follow a guide with more ease.

[jdkbph]

The question in my mind is whether the SH4 AI and interface is capable of supporting the kinds of functions that a surface warfare sim would require? For instance, surface warships rarely engaged in combat independently (the German raiders being a notable exception). They were almost always accompanied by other warships in one or more formations.

So is the AI capable of maintaining at least rudimentary formations such as line astern, line abreast, eschelon, etc.?

Is the Interface capable of directing and managing formations of two or more ships, such as issuing orders to form or reform, change heading/speed, attach or detach, fire/hold fire, etc?

If not, from an historical simulation point of view, it's probably not worth the effort.

$.02

JD

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by jdkbph

The question in my mind is whether the SH4 AI and interface is capable of supporting the kinds of functions that a surface warfare sim would require? For instance, surface warships rarely engaged in combat independently (the German raiders being a notable exception). They were almost always accompanied by other warships in one or more formations.

So is the AI capable of maintaining at least rudimentary formations such as line astern, line abreast, eschelon, etc.?

Is the Interface capable of directing and managing formations of two or more ships, such as issuing orders to form or reform, change heading/speed, attach or detach, fire/hold fire, etc?

If not, from an historical simulation point of view, it's probably not worth the effort.

$.02

JD

Even though surface ships are controllable with the 1.5 Tactical Group thing, I remember reading it's impossible to modify so probably not

But consider this, You are the commander of a single surface ship, not the admiral of a Task Force, The campaign could be modified to send you with a certain Task Group or Task Force, So you can play a single surface ship that is a part of such a formation

[Schroeder]

I've just tested Mikhayl's playable Clemson class destroyer and small oiler.
It is a lot of fun, at least for some time. Sure, there are no highly detailed stations and also no damage control options yet, but I've seen this community accomplish so many great things that I think it would be possible to create a good surface mod (if given enough time).

[The General]

I think that the work that goes into this MOD will be beneficial towards an eventual Full Global Theatre Warfare or F.U.B.A.R. for short