Stalling is not my friend

AFRIKAKORPS · 07-15-07, 05:11 AM

I love Il-2. I've been playing for about a month or two and have become pretty skilled with gunnery and such, I can also pull off quite a few excellent maneuvers to boot. The only real problem I keep running into is stalling. It seems that I stall on almost all my turns, even when I'm careful not to push my plan to hard. The AI seems to be able to do incredible maneuvers and turns around me while I try to keep from stalling. I hate losing kills because of stalling, and its the number one killer to me when playing online.

Since you guys seem like an experienced bunch of professionals I was wondering If you have any tips to improve me turning capabilities.

Thanks!

Skybird · 07-15-07, 05:41 AM

It strongly depends on the type of aircraft. Some are tame and forgiving, some are neurotic bitches. spend an hour just to qucik-test several different ones, and realise their differendces in turning, then stay with those that you find to match your needs. Mostly, these will be planes that are considered a bit too tame against later war opposition, so do quick missions against comparable - or even the same! - type of planes.

Check these planes in and out. I for example love the Hurricane. It is by far not the strongest beast around, but it allows me to focus on what I want to do: flying. Check the behavior at different speeds. Make mental notes of these. The better you learn to handle a plane, the more you gain the ability to successfully fight in these planes, even against opponents that technically should be superior to your plane. Some of the top German aces sticked to their version/models of the Bf109 throughout the war and refused with determination to fly any of the later, considered stronger models.

Learn to fly aerobatics, especially hammerheads. Hammerheads teqaches you to watch both your flight attitude and speed, and perfect your timing and use of thottle. I even did that with the SF260 in Flight simulator, and later found it easier in the - less sophisticated - flight models in IL2. Train extreme turns, leanr the b ahvior with different throttle use.

finally and most important: fly ina way that matches the strengths of the plane you are in - not it'S weaknesses. The German planes were not turn fighters, but energy fighters: use the vertical, zoom-and-boom. Other planes are low on energy, but strong in turnings: so don't try to outrace that Messerschmidt, but try to lure it into a turnfight, close to the ground.

Planes also behave differently at different altitudes. Some better fight high above, some better at tree level

So, why not trying a Hurricane vs Hurricane duel next for a start?

Finally: tune your input devices, adjust the axis sensitivity. this needs solid testing and can cost a lot of time, but it is worth it.

XabbaRus · 07-15-07, 10:07 AM

Also with WWII planes you can't just yank the stick especially at high speed.

In order to turn quickly I'll give you an example.

Your at a good speed 400kph or above. Roll into your turn and then start with a gentle pull on the stick. This will start you pulling into the turn. Once it has started pull harder on the stick watching your speed. This way you will able to get a good rate of turn.

NeonSamurai · 07-15-07, 11:16 AM

This is very true, and one of the reasons why i cant play prop plane sims currently as the joystick i have right now is very twitchy, which has the anoying habbit of throwing ww1&2 planes into spins, stalls, not to mention makes accurate gunnery impossible. Modern jet fighters i dont have that problem as they are fly by wire and the flight computer eliminates the dangerous twitching (though it still can pitch around alot and gun shots are still very difficult). Fortunatly i should have a new joystick in a month or so.

AFRIKAKORPS · 07-15-07, 02:52 PM

Thanks for the reply guys!

Yeah, I like to fly in a lot of different planes, so I never fully learn what they are capable of and what disadvantages are. Usually speed isn't an issue; I'm usually flying at 300 to 350 knots depending on the aircraft. I guess I am going to see what works for me, and I am definitely going to read up on all the aircraft so I can learn what they excel at.

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

This is very true, and one of the reasons why i cant play prop plane sims currently as the joystick i have right now is very twitchy, which has the anoying habbit of throwing ww1&2 planes into spins, stalls, not to mention makes accurate gunnery impossible. Modern jet fighters i dont have that problem as they are fly by wire and the flight computer eliminates the dangerous twitching (though it still can pitch around alot and gun shots are still very difficult). Fortunatly i should have a new joystick in a month or so.

I have the same problem with my X52, it seems WAY to sensitive and it makes gunnery difficult since I cant keep my plane level half the time. I just wish the X52 had more resistance.

NeonSamurai · 07-16-07, 03:58 PM

Mine is not so much sensitive as it is plain unreliable, at anything other then full back or centered (with alot of deadbanding) it will twitch around and not hold at a steady rate (sometimes twitching the full range back and forth very rapidly). This makes smooth turns or lining up shots totaly impossible

07-15-07, 05:11 AM	#1
AFRIKAKORPS Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 104 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Stalling is not my friend I love Il-2. I've been playing for about a month or two and have become pretty skilled with gunnery and such, I can also pull off quite a few excellent maneuvers to boot. The only real problem I keep running into is stalling. It seems that I stall on almost all my turns, even when I'm careful not to push my plan to hard. The AI seems to be able to do incredible maneuvers and turns around me while I try to keep from stalling. I hate losing kills because of stalling, and its the number one killer to me when playing online. Since you guys seem like an experienced bunch of professionals I was wondering If you have any tips to improve me turning capabilities. Thanks!

07-15-07, 05:41 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 41,432 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It strongly depends on the type of aircraft. Some are tame and forgiving, some are neurotic bitches. spend an hour just to qucik-test several different ones, and realise their differendces in turning, then stay with those that you find to match your needs. Mostly, these will be planes that are considered a bit too tame against later war opposition, so do quick missions against comparable - or even the same! - type of planes. Check these planes in and out. I for example love the Hurricane. It is by far not the strongest beast around, but it allows me to focus on what I want to do: flying. Check the behavior at different speeds. Make mental notes of these. The better you learn to handle a plane, the more you gain the ability to successfully fight in these planes, even against opponents that technically should be superior to your plane. Some of the top German aces sticked to their version/models of the Bf109 throughout the war and refused with determination to fly any of the later, considered stronger models. Learn to fly aerobatics, especially hammerheads. Hammerheads teqaches you to watch both your flight attitude and speed, and perfect your timing and use of thottle. I even did that with the SF260 in Flight simulator, and later found it easier in the - less sophisticated - flight models in IL2. Train extreme turns, leanr the b ahvior with different throttle use. finally and most important: fly ina way that matches the strengths of the plane you are in - not it'S weaknesses. The German planes were not turn fighters, but energy fighters: use the vertical, zoom-and-boom. Other planes are low on energy, but strong in turnings: so don't try to outrace that Messerschmidt, but try to lure it into a turnfight, close to the ground. Planes also behave differently at different altitudes. Some better fight high above, some better at tree level So, why not trying a Hurricane vs Hurricane duel next for a start? Finally: tune your input devices, adjust the axis sensitivity. this needs solid testing and can cost a lot of time, but it is worth it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-15-07, 10:07 AM	#3
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Also with WWII planes you can't just yank the stick especially at high speed. In order to turn quickly I'll give you an example. Your at a good speed 400kph or above. Roll into your turn and then start with a gentle pull on the stick. This will start you pulling into the turn. Once it has started pull harder on the stick watching your speed. This way you will able to get a good rate of turn. __________________

07-15-07, 11:16 AM	#4
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	This is very true, and one of the reasons why i cant play prop plane sims currently as the joystick i have right now is very twitchy, which has the anoying habbit of throwing ww1&2 planes into spins, stalls, not to mention makes accurate gunnery impossible. Modern jet fighters i dont have that problem as they are fly by wire and the flight computer eliminates the dangerous twitching (though it still can pitch around alot and gun shots are still very difficult). Fortunatly i should have a new joystick in a month or so. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

07-16-07, 03:58 PM	#6
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Mine is not so much sensitive as it is plain unreliable, at anything other then full back or centered (with alot of deadbanding) it will twitch around and not hold at a steady rate (sometimes twitching the full range back and forth very rapidly). This makes smooth turns or lining up shots totaly impossible __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff